Overthinking Lost: The End.

by mlawski — Fri, May 28, 2010, 6:59am

Whatever happened, happened.  We’ve been hearing this statement repeated in Lost for several season.  Now, finally, we know  it’s true.  As Slate’s Chadwick Matlin helpfully pointed out earlier this week, the bomb didn’t go off.  The reset didn’t work.  The Swan site was built, and Oceanic 815 crashed on the Island.  Whatever happened, happened.  Dead is dead is dead is dead.

The bomb didn’t work.  This was the most underplayed revelation of the finale, according to Matlin.  I agree, and I believe it was underplayed on purpose.  For all of Lost’s insistence in the scripts that “whatever happened, happened,” the ultimate moral of the story is “whatever happened, happened—and it doesn’t matter.”

This disappoints me.  Don’t get me wrong; I liked the finale as I was watching it.  I’m always going to love Lost as a whole, as incoherent and sentimental as it turned out to be.  I’m never going to wring my hands and say, “One-hundred and twenty-two hours of my life—wasted!”  We all know that simply isn’t true.

Nevertheless, I’m disappointed with the last ten minutes of the show, particularly the new religion it created.  Not only is this religion annoyingly conservative for my tastes, but it is so couched in fantasy that it is of no use to us, the viewers living in the real world.

Ryan Sheely hosts with special guests Carlos Hann Commander, Amanda Marcotte, and Shana Mlawski to Overthink the Series Finale of Lost, including sunscreen, what to wear to a Lost convention, purgatory vs. eternal return, community, redemption, unanswered mysteries, red herrings, and Chaaaaaaaaaaahlie.

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The Overthinking Lost Open Thread: The End

by mlawski — Mon, May 24, 2010, 2:13am

So here we are.  At the end.

Honestly, I need some time to digest before I can give you my pithy, hipster-ironic review.  All I can give you right now is this: The episode started.  I laughed.  I cheered.  I cocked my head quizzically.  I found myself oddly attracted to Jack for the first time ever.  I misted up here and there–but I didn’t cry.  That’s a big bummer, really.  I wanted the finale to make me cry.  (Although Vincent almost did it.  Stupid dog.)

What I can tell you is this: The finale was not perfect.  Lost was not perfect.  But before I start my nitpicking and my grousing, I would like to tip my hat to the people who put this show together.  As imperfect as it was, it likely changed television forever, and hopefully for the better.  More than any other network show I can think of, it was ambitious–epic in terms of space, time, mythology, and form.  It boasted one of the most diverse casts in television–what other show on American network TV would have entire episodes almost solely in Korean?  It was a genre-bender: not a cop show, not a lawyer show, not yet another CSI or medical soap opera.  Unlike most programs, which err on the side of dumb blandness, Lost was uncompromising in its commitment to difficulty and complexity.  It gave us the character of John Locke, one of the most unique personalities ever created for television.  It gave us Michael Emerson, and it gave us Sawyer without his shirt on.  At the end of the day, it entertained me.  I’m thankful for that.

Here are some questions for you to mull over if you’d like.  I don’t have the answers to these questions yet, myself, but I will be thinking about them.  Maybe you could shed some light on these issues before I write my epic post on the Grand Unified Theory of Lost (if I decide that there is one).

Question 1: In the end, what was the most important conflict of the series?  Jack vs. Locke (a.k.a. Science vs. Faith)?  Jack vs. his daddy issues (a.k.a. learning to “let go”)?  The Losties & Jacob vs. Smokey (a.k.a. free will vs. fate)?  Some other conflict I didn’t think of?

Question 2: So the Island wasn’t purgatory, but the Sideways world was?  Is this some sort of cosmic joke from Team Darlton?  Seriously, though, what did you guys think of the ending?

Question 3: What do you think happened in the original universe after Jack saved the Island?  What did Hurley and Ben do for all of those years together, for instance?  And Richard, Lapidus, Kate, Sawyer, Miles, and Claire: do you think they got home okay?  If so, what do you think they did there?  (Especially Richard!  What, did he going to go to community college or something and become someone’s executive assistant or something?)

This isn’t the end of Overthinking Lost, folks, so be sure to come back later this week.  First, we’ll kick things off with a super-special Lost-themed podcast this Wednesday.  Then, at the end of the week (or maybe Monday, depending on how work goes), I’ll put up a big old “What Does This All Mean?”-type post.  Is there anything else you would like us at OTI to overthink before this series comes to an end?

See you in another life, overthinkahs.

Ah, the penultimate episode.  Never thought we’d see the day, huh?

In this episode, we saw a lot of Ben and his sweet, puppyish alterna-self.  You may remember that before this season started I had hoped that Mr. Linus would be redeemed and get a big heroic death.  Earlier this season, I kinda-sorta got my wish: our old dastardly friend Ben, it seemed, had turned into a Good Guy.

Then this episode happened.

And, I must say, it was damn nice having Evil Ben back.  I didn’t know how much I missed him until he returned.

Question 1: In the end, which would you prefer to see?  An Evil Ben getting his final comeuppance or a Secretly Good Ben getting his final redemption?

(I know where I stand on this issue.  Let Evil Ben be Evil Ben.)

This week, we also saw a scene I never thought the show would allow us to enjoy.  Jacob actually sat down with his remaining Candidates and told them what The Point of it all was.  He even allowed them to have a brief Q & A session with him!  That’s pretty good for a demi-god.

Question 2: If you could ask Jacob any question, what would you ask, and what do you think his answer would be?  (My first question would be, “All the stuff you told the Losties in this episode… why didn’t you tell them all of this in the first episode?!”  He’d probably give me a dirty look in response.)

Question 3: Any final predictions before the finale?  Speak now or surrender your right to say “I told you so” next Monday morning.

Question 4: What are your greatest hopes and fears for the finale?  (My greatest hope is that Smokey does destroy the Island, allowing him to escape to the Sideways-verse, where he ends up being destroyed by all of the Alt-Losties.  This would allow Ben to be evil in the Island Universe AND get redeemed in the Sideways Universe.  Oh, and then Alt-Ben and Alt-Rousseau totally get married and we get a spin-off sitcom about them, Arzt, Locke, and Alex, and also Hurley and Desmond turn up sometimes as recurring guest stars.  What?  This is a good idea, I promise!)

See you folks on Sunday when EVERYTHING! WILL! END! EXCLAMATION POINT!

Overthinking Lost: “Across the Sea”

by mlawski — Mon, May 17, 2010, 7:00am

I’ll admit it.  I liked “Across the Sea.”  I thought it was pretty neat.

…And 75% of the audience for this post just walked out the door.  That’s cool.  Those of you who stayed, let’s talk.

How do we judge a piece of art?  It’s a question we at Overthinking It have struggled with since our inception, and it’s a question I personally end up rethinking every time I have an opinion that runs counter to the popular consensus.

How do we judge a piece of art?  Most people, I think, tend to instinctively follow the criteria outlined in Aristotle’s Poetics.  According to Aristotle, drama is made up of six parts: mythos (plot), ethos (character), dianoia (thought – or, in modern terms, theme), lexis (diction  – or, in modern terms, dialogue and acting), melos (melody – or, in modern terms, soundtrack), and opsis (spectacle – in modern terms, special effects, sets, and costumes).  A good drama will include good versions of all six elements: a good plot, good characters, good themes, good dialogue, etc.

But what do we mean by “good”?  And what do we mean by “bad”?  I know these questions sound annoyingly academic, but they were the questions I found myself asking as I read everyone’s reactions to “Across the Sea.”  “Holy crap, that episode was BAD!”  “Jumped the shark!  Worse than Bai Ling BAD!”  “God, the dialogue was so BAD!”  “The glowy cave effects were BAD!”  “And what about the acting?  BAD!”  “Seriously.  WORST.  EPISODE.  EVER.”

The unspoken notion underlying these comments is that everyone agrees on what bad acting, bad dialogue, bad characterization, and so on look like.  And the assumption underlying that notion is that there is and can only be one definition of good acting, good dialogue, good characterization, and so on.

In this piece, I’m going to propose a different way of judging a piece of drama.  I’m not going to ask you to like “Across the Sea,” but I am going to ask that you look at it from a different angle.  If you still dislike it from that angle, sure, that’s your prerogative.  It wasn’t a perfect episode by any stretch of the imagination.  But I am going to ask you to consider, if not accept, that maybe the decisions in this episode were made purposefully to create a piece of art that would work on its own terms, if not the audience’s.

Wow.  That was… wow.

I…

We’re gonna need to watch that again.

Do you agree, John Locke?

Yeah. We're gonna need to watch that again.

So.  This week’s episode started with the births of Jacob and his twin brother What’s-His-Name.

Question 1 (a silly question): Was I the only one screaming “Tell us his name, you bastards!” at the TV last night?  Gah.  And if the Man in Black really doesn’t have a name, how did he introduce himself to the shipwrecked fellas?  He must have at least had a nickname, no?

I know people get annoyed when I refer to the Man in Black as “Esau,” but wasn’t it interesting how the Jacob-Esau myth was flipped on its head this episode?  In some ways, the myth went as planned: the Man in Black/Esau was the hairy, angry one, and Jacob was the shy/naive one.  But this story was different from the Biblical tale in major, major ways.  First, Jacob was born first–no heel-holding this time.  Second, Mommy Dearest loved the Man in Black better (unlike the Biblical Rebekah who clearly preferred Jacob).  Third, Lost’s Jacob would not be described as a deceptive supplanter.  In fact, according to Mommy Dearest, Jacob doesn’t even know how to lie.  Four, Jacob didn’t steal the Man in Black’s birthright as the Biblical Jacob stole Esau’s.  Here, the Man in Black rejected his birthright, and Jacob had to be convinced that he wanted it.

Question 2 (a serious, overthinky question): What are we to make of Darlton’s retelling of the Jacob-Esau myth?  Clearly they were riffing on the same themes as the original Bible story, so… why?  And why did they change up the story in so many different ways?

Speaking of Jacob and the Man in Black, we got some interesting characterization of those two this week.  This episode really hit hard on the science vs. faith themes, even though (for once!) those words weren’t actually spoken aloud.  The Man in Black is shown to be the scientific one: he doesn’t have blind faith in his mother; he bases his points of view re: humanity on empirical evidence and study; he and his ancient Roman buddies go out of their way to explore the Island’s weird electromagnetic phenomena (and, if I’m reading this right, even built the frozen donkey wheel); and he wants to explore “across the sea” just because it’s there.  Meanwhile, Jacob blindly accepts everything his mother says, except, of course, that humanity is evil.  That’s apparently because Jacob’s blind faith in his mother can only be topped by his blind faith in human society, which is interesting seeing as Jacob has never lived in human society.

Question 3 (serious, overthinky): Is there any chance in hell that science, curiosity, and a belief in empirical study will win the day over faith?  I know that science and skepticism and so on are now associated with Smokey, and Smokey Is Bad, but…

I mean, think about that scene with the frozen donkey wheel.  The Man in Black is trying to open a portal that will take him off the Island.  Mommy Dearest says, in so many words, “No, Man in Black, don’t do science!  Your curiosity will be the death of us all!”  (This seems to be the theme Lost has been pushing over the past few weeks through the character of Jack.)  And what does the Man in Black say?  He says the thing that totally won me back over to his side.  In so many words, he says to his mother (and to Jacob, and to God, and to Lost’s writers, too), “I’m only doing this because you never told me anything!”    If that’s not a cry that we Lost fans can rally behind, I don’t know what is.  Answers!  Answers!  We want answers!  And it’s science and reason, not faith, that’s going to get us those answers!  You go, Man in Black!  I’ll be right here on the other side of the TV set, cheering you on.

Some less overthinky questions.

Question 4: Who’s Mommy Dearest?  Just another victim of a shipwreck who got roped into being the Island’s Jacob by the Island’s previous protector?  Or something more mythological?  (Also: Allison Janney!  With her, Katey Sagal, and Kim Dickens, Lost has finally hit the awesome-red-headed-character-actress trifecta!  Sweet!)

Question 5: Why did Mommy Dearest think the Man in Black was so special?  The moment she saw him as an infant she clearly thought there was something about him.  What could it be?  And would things have been better or worse if he had been her replacement instead of Jacob?

See you next week.

And we’re back!  Wow, that episode was fun.  I haven’t felt so close to the edge of my seat during a Lost episode since… actually, I can’t remember when.  Lost, you’re back, baby!  I’m sorry I ever doubted you.

And now it’s question time.

This episode focused a lot on the idea of “fixing” people.  We recently learned that Real-Jack has given up trying to fix the world, yet Alt-Jack works the whole episode to convince Alt-Locke to let him fix him.

Question 1: Is there any chance that Real-Jack can fix Fake Locke in the Island Universe (whatever you interpret the word “fix” to mean)?  If so, how?

While Alt-Jack is working to fix Alt-Locke, Real-Jack is stuck on a submarine with all of his friends and a ticking time bomb.  Jack realizes that fixing this bomb isn’t going to work–the best thing to do is let the bomb run out on its own.

Question 2: Is it possible that the moral of this entire story isn’t just “whatever happened, happened,” but “whatever happens, happens”?  After all is said and done, is Lost just a story meant to teach us to “go with the flow, man”?  (If so, what do we make of the character of Jacob, who liked to think of himself as a “hands-off” guy but is clearly more “hands-on” than any other character in the show?)

Hmm, what else happened in this episode?  Oh, yeah.  Three major characters DIED.  (And one more maybe-died, but let’s save Lapidus-talk until we know his true fate.)

Question 3: True or false: In the end, Lost will turn out to be a “Ten Little Indians” plot.  In other words, do we expect everyone except Jack (and perhaps Kate) to die on the Island, whereupon Jack somehow uses his Jacob powers to make the Sideways Universe real?  (Whereupon Jack and Kate become the Adam and Eve in the caves?)

And… Question 4: What did you think of these deaths, anyway?  The first death I felt nothing, and the second two kinda-sorta made me feel bad.  Personally, I felt much sadder while watching the final Alt-Jack/Alt-Locke scene.  Matthew Fox and Terry O’Quinn acted the hell outta that.  To me, the emotions in that scene felt realer and more earned than the somewhat forced melodrama in any of the death scenes.

Or maybe I’m just sad that they killed off one of my favorite female characters after giving her nothing to do for two seasons.

Welp, see you next time!

Hmm.  Another “moving the pieces around” episode, I see.  Lost writers, you’re not making this easy for me.  What am I supposed to overthink here?  More Jesus-related symbolism, please!

In lieu of real overthinking, here are some questions designed to get our mental juices flowing:

First, let’s talk Sayid.  In Sideways-land, Alt-Sawyer said of Alt-Sayid, “That’s our bad guy.”  But as Hurley said, “You can always bring people back from the Dark Side.”  It seems clear to me that Sayid has started his ascent into “redemption paradise,” what with him not killing Desmond and all.  Well, not on-screen, anyway.  But as I always say about Lost, if you don’t see a body, they’re not dead.  (Actually, even if you do see a body, they’re probably not dead.)

Question 1: If Sayid didn’t kill Des, what did he do?  And what will he do next?  Is Sayid really our “Anakin,” and, if so, is he going to be the one to bring down Smokey in the end?

A lot of other things happened in Sideways-land this week: Claire met Des and Ilana, Jack met Claire, Kate’s in custody, Sun and baby are okay, Sayid’s in big trouble…

Question 2: It looks like we’re going to have a situation in Alt-World where half the characters are in the hospital (Jack, Locke, Sun, Jin, possibly Claire) and half are in the police station (James, Miles, Kate, Sayid).  Do you think this is symbolic in any way?  Perhaps one group wants to be healed and the other group wants to be punished?  And maybe those are the two sides of the Island: the Island that heals (represented by Jacob) and the Island that judges (represented by Smokey)?  Or am I reading too much into things?

Question 3: Speaking of the Alt-World, was Alt-Sun’s “It’s him!  It’s him!” proof that Alt-Locke is actually Smokey in disguise?  And, if so, what are the implications?

Back on the Island, a whole lot of stuff happened, but it actually seemed like nothing happened at all.  Sun and Jin finally got back together, and it wasn’t as heartwarming as the show wanted it to be.  Sun got her voice back out of nowhere, proving that this particular subplot was all for naught.   Jack got on a boat and then got off a boat, and Widmore for no apparent reason reneged on his deal with Sawyer–a deal he made like two episodes ago!  And they call women fickle…

Hey, Lost: You and me, we’re buds, right?  You know we tight.  But, to tell you the truth, I’m getting a little frustrated with you.  Remember how back in the middle of season five I was annoyed because I didn’t know what the characters’ goals were?  I’m kind of feeling like that now.  So let me ask you a question.

Question 4: This is the Big Question.  If Lost is a game of backgammon, what’s the goal of the game?  How do the Losties “win”?  Jack said it: the Losties were brought to the Island for a reason.  They were brought there to do something.  There are four episodes to go.  So, tell me: What is the reason? What did Jacob bring them there to do? And–hi–why don’t I know the answers to these questions four episodes before the finale?

Sorry if I seem a little grumbly, folks.  It’s because I am a little grumbly.  But don’t worry.  I’ll see you back here next week.  And I promise I’ll try to say nice things about you, Lost.  I can’t stay mad at you long.

Man.  This episode.  If “Happily Ever After” brought tears to my eyes, “Everybody Loves Hugo” did something just as good: it made me laugh.  And not only because it was funny–although, at times, yes, it was.  I’m not sure what I liked best: the return of Hugo’s overbearing mother, the way Sawyer said “sonofabitch” when he saw Hurley in the woods, or the way Hurley said “um…hey” to Un-Locke right after.

But “Everybody Loves Hugo” didn’t just have good jokes.  It was one of those Lost episodes that makes you laugh just because it was so damn audacious.  It was one of those episodes that gives you no other option but to laugh, shake your head, and say, “Did they really just do that?”

Well, yes.  Yes, they did.

So let’s talk about what made me laugh, in order of events.  First, at the beginning of the episode, a certain someone got blown up.  No, no, “blown up” isn’t strong enough.  How about, “got a’sploded”?  Yeah, that’s better.  Oh, I laughed–nay, guffawed–when old Dr. Arzt got himself a’sploded back in season one, but this!  In comparison, this made Dr. Artz’s a’splosion a mere prologue.

Questions, discussions, and spoilers all after the jump.

Overthinking Lost: Season 6 Episode 10

by mlawski — Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 7:00am

It’s not an epilogue.

Praise be to Jacob, it’s not an epilogue.  To be honest, I never truly believed the Sideways world represented our Losties’ happy endings, but so many people were arguing for this reading that my brain’s firewall had a hard time blocking the idea.  Then along came “Happily Ever After,” which drove the epilogue theory off a pier and let it drown in the Pacific.

But if Lost’s Sideways Universe does not represent an epilogue, what is it?  Although I don’t know the answer to that question just yet, I have some ideas.