Episode 289: The Dark Carnival of our Civil Rights

The Overthinkers tackle the FBI’s designation of juggalos as a gang and Shia Laboeuf’s deisgnation of plagarism as art.

Peter Fenzel, Mark Lee, John Perich, and Matthew Wrather overthink the controversy over the FBI declaring juggalos a gang and the controversy of Shia Labeouf declaring blatant plagiarism art.


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14 Comments on “Episode 289: The Dark Carnival of our Civil Rights”

  1. cat #

    No special correspondent live from the Golden Globes?


  2. Adrian #

    This may not be what Kris Straub meant by “art has to be accountable,” but I think that statement is true at least in this sense: if you are going to commit a crime for the purposes of art, you may find yourself going to jail for the purposes of art.

    Also, everyone who has ever heard of Shia LeBeouf needs to listen to this song if they haven’t already: https://soundcloud.com/rob-cantor/shia-labeouf

    That song will be enshrined in the Library of Congress one day if I have anything to say about it.


  3. Hudsucker #

    Just wanted to say I’ve only been listening for about 5 months and I absolutely love this site and this podcast. Both are amazing. Will write a review on iTunes soon. Also, I’d like to apologize if I seemed rash or ignorant on the Wolf of Wall Street forum, Belinkie, it wasn’t my intention. Although, who intends to seem ignorant.


  4. Tim Peever #

    I had some friends in high school whose final project for their art class was explaining why they didn’t have their final project. One of them had a story about how she made a model of the Eiffel Tower out of popsicle sticks, but then it got stolen by the French mafia.


  5. Rambler #


    • Mark Lee OTI Staff #

      Did…did you make this???? Incredible.

      (Embedding for everyone’s enjoyment)


      • Rambler #

        aww shucks… thanks!


  6. BastionofLight #

    With the question of the week, you can go bigger than merely monetary gain for your copyright. I would take ownership over the Dead Sea Scrolls. As everyone would believe me, I think I could fairly easily get a sainthood out of it.


  7. Buonopane #

    Ok, so The Hokey Pokey and “hocus pocus” are probably not related, but hocus pocus and Gangs of New York are! Bill the Butcher targets Catholics as a group to marginalize and otherize (putting 19th-Century New York Catholics in the same potential category as Insane Clown Posse according to the podcast). “Hocus pocus” was originally a product of anti-catholic sentiment as well, mocking the Latin lines “hoc est enim corpus meum” of the Mass. These lines are originally found in Scripture at the last supper when, according to the Church, Jesus instituted the Eucharist by saying “this is my body” over the bread of the Passover meal. For many protestant denominations, the belief in the Eucharist is tantamount to belief in magic, thus the use of words from the Mass as mock-magic words.
    In the context of the ICP song, the phrase only has the magical sense that is commonly understood, so it’s probably a stretch to say that ICP, as it is otherized by the FBI, is sympathizing with persecuted Catholics. But it’s fun to think about.


    • Mark Lee OTI Staff #

      “F***ing eucharist, how does it work?”


  8. Buonopane #

    Haha, is that a line from their cover of Thomas Aquinas’s treatise on the Eucharist in questions 73-83 of the third part of the Summa Theologiae?


  9. Squin #

    First they came for the Juggalos
    but I was not a Juggalo, so I said nothing…


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