Toward a Juggalo Theory of Value, Part 2

Toward a Juggalo Theory of Value, Part 2

Part 2 in our series on insane clowns and insaner economics and business strategy.

In part 1 of “Toward a Juggalo Theory of Value,” we explained what a Juggalo is, why you should care, and some different ways we can approach thinking about value in economics and political philosophy. To review:

1.A Juggalo is a fan of the Insane Clown Posse (a rap-hard rock/metal group that wears clown makeup) and related musical groups who tends to show or adopt specific cultural markers, like wearing clown makeup, being an outcast, and spraying Faygo soda on other Juggalos.

2.You should care because their numbers are large growing, even though ICP’s overall popularity has waned (though never really gone away entirely) and record sales in general have also waned. Now, the juggalos have reached a level where they are getting noticed, pushing ICP back into the spotlight in new, unexpected ways that other organizations can learn from.

3.Nothing has intrinsic economic value – no good, no service, no commodity; not gold, not food, not houses. While it may seem that investing in one thing over another may seem foolish because it is nontraditional, unorthodox or “worth less,” (like investing in fostering your core fanbase rather than selling albums to the mainstream, even when your fanbase are a relatively small group of Juggalos, at least at first) something is only ever worth what you can get for it or do with it.

So, during the last ten years or so, the Insane Clown Posse has seemed dormant, at least to people outside certain parts of the American Midwest, but has been steadily building its fanbase. This seems like it might not be a worthwhile endeavor, but from today’s vantage point, it seems like it was a really good idea.

Today, we’ll talk about why Juggalos matter now more than ever and why organizations across business and politics are all trying to make their own Juggalos.

Juggalos and the fading interference of technology-driven consensus

From here on out, I’m going to use “Juggalo” to refer to anyone who is a strong partisan and evangelist for a brand, institution, product or service who shapes his or her lifestyle to around that thing on which he or she is focused, often alienated and with hostility directed toward competitors, often paying a social cost in hostility in turn, who shapes discourse, vocabulary and aesthetics around the thing, and who experiences it socially along with others – Juggalos qua Juggalos speak of being as such as being “family” – that’s a good way to start talking about it – brand as family.

So, somebody who watches every Cincinnati Bengals game is not a Juggalo, but somebody whose browser homepage goes to the Cinncinnati Bengals site, who yells about other football teams all the time, who says all numbers in Spanish, who seems to think everything revolves around Cleveland despite not living there, and who meets twice a week with the same group of friends to either watch a Bengals game or socialize around the Bengals and what they do to the point where other people start to think this person is crazy would be a Bengals Juggalo.

This is as good a time as any to start talking about social capital. It’s a fairly popular topic (you may have read about it on this very site), but for those to whom it may be new, I’ll introduce it.

Social capital has a lot of definitions, but I like to think of it as the idea that your friendships and other personal relationships – with colleagues, teammates, family even – have a quality that makes them productive or actionable. Because my relationships with my friends are so good, we can all get together and do cool stuff we couldn’t do separately – that’s social capital. You can have a social network that doesn’t have a lot of social capital, because it is just a bunch of people who exchanged contact information who don’t do anything, or you can have a social network with lots of social capital, which can lead to both groups of people doing stuff they wouldn’t do otherwise or doing stuff they would do otherwise, but more productively.

Juggalos are a powerful wellspring of social capital, but they have drawbacks – the main one is that they tend to scare away uninterested civilians – you do not appeal to the bulk of a population of tens or hundreds of millions of people with a bunch of crazed partisans. Witness this report, which is amusing, because it is by news anchors who seem pretty confused, but insightful, because it notes the importances of the Juggalos having organized chapters and a web infrastructure:

And watch this old clip of ICP on the The O’Reilly Factor, because it is hilarious:

This latter clip is less about the Juggalos than about the problem ICP has as a brand: they are very easy targets. They scare people in the mainstream, so those who make their money (or other value, of course, money isn’t the only thing with economic value) feeding the controlling the fears of the mainstream benefit from targeting them. O’Reilly gets credit from the people who watch his show for painting ICP as worse than they are (as much as I myself am not a fan of people doing drugs, joking with a teenager that he should smoke weed is not the same as telling that teenager to smoke crack, and O’Reilly knows it).

Of course, for ICP, this is kind of the point – and for anyone with the patience and perspective to understand what ICP is trying to do, what O’Reilly is doing is pretty funny because of how much it feeds into their social message. It’s part of their brand and it’s a major reason why they were able to (and needed to) cultivate Juggalos a decade before a lot of the people who are now scrambling to do it were interested.

Still, as much as we can downplay the influence of media and mainstream thinking by saying there’s no such thing as bad publicity, there really is such a thing as bad publicity. You just can’t admit it sometimes. Against the backdrop of the Columbine school shooting, ICP’s brand was eviscerated in the media. In case you weren’t around then or not paying attention, ICP and Marilyn Manson were scapegoated by the media for the shooting for years afterward, despite there being no reason to believe they were responsible except for the way in which we are all collectively responsible for everything that happens in the world – and that’s too high a standard for a just court of public opinion. Of course, the court of public opinion is not just.

And the media evisceration did hurt ICP’s business, because even if ICP doesn’t particularly care about the hysteria of mainstream media, their business partners do. This story from Wikipedia is telling:

“Two music videos were released from the albums: “Tilt-a-Whirl,” from Bizaar,  and “Let’s Go All The Way,” a cover of a Sly Fox song from Bizzar. MTV agreed to play “Let’s Go All The Way” on their network, airing it once in the late evening.  Bruce and Utsler decided to bombard Total Request Live (TRL) with requests for the video.  While on their “Bizzar Bizaar Tour,” Insane Clown Posse posted on its website that December 8 was the day for their fans request the video. Bruce and Utsler named that day “The Mighty Day of Lienda,” meaning “The Mighty Day of All or Nothing.”  On December 8, Rudy Hill, Robert Bruce, Tom Dub, and six other Psychopathic Records employees and friends drove down to New York City. They were met by nearly 400 Insane Clown Posse fans standing outside in front of the TRL studio window, all with signs supporting the duo. Thirty minutes before the show began, Viacom security guards and New York City police officers were dispatched to remove all the fans from the sidewalk.  When some fans, including Robert Bruce, refused to move because it was a public street and no other individuals were asked to move, they were assaulted.  All telephone requests for the video to be played were ignored, and Insane Clown Posse was never mentioned during the show. MTV later informed Island Records that the heads of the network must choose the band first before it can become eligible to be featured on TRL.”

Media criticism makes businesses nervous, especially large organizations, which usually don’t have constructive ways to deal with blame and responsibility (shocker, I know) – when consensus is important to holding together an organization and keeping it functional, then focused mainstream media criticism is too dangerous and potentially destructive to internalize. It’s not just the damage to the brand or the product – it’s the damage to the organization’s own fragile social infrastructure. This is why large hierarchical organizations avoid things that draw fire.

However, organizations driven by Juggalos don’t really care about mainstream media criticism as much, even if they are large. In general, individuals are more resilient than companies – they have thicker skins.

So, the more powerful and monolithic mainstream media is – the more damaging their disapproval can be and the more important trumped-up condemnations become – the worse an organization that relies on Juggalos – on off-putting partisans who are targets for criticism – is going to do.

But, as the power of mololithic, mainstream media has declined over the last ten years, the relative advantage of having juggalos over other sorts of marketing have increased quite a bit.

Nowadays, if your brand gets smacked around on the local news, do you really care? Say you’re in Maryland on the east coast of the USA; you’re selling t-shirts to people in California, Singapore, Africa, Vancouver, Mexico – this local news report isn’t going to get to most of them. Plus, who watches the local news anymore? Not nearly as many people as used to – Conan O’Brien is a great example of the decline of entertainment consensus – great guy, tons of fans, I’m one of them, but not enough of us watched NBC anymore to bother watching his show.

Furthermore, even your fans in Maryland aren’t beholden to people who care what the news says. Your vendors and their vendors probably have devolved supply chains. Everybody uses the Internet a lot. People meet on forums of their choice or Facebook walls of their choice to listen to the things they want to hear, and the offering of B&B goods and services has so proliferated online that if the local news scares some of your business partners away, you can always find others.

MTV doesn’t even play music anymore, so there’s that.

Conan O’Brien is a great example of somebody who went from having customers to having Juggalos – well, they were perhaps not quite as dedicated or familial in nature, but there was definitely a transformation. Conan has said that NBC actually asked him to stop the Internet “I’m with Coco” movement – as if it were something he actively controlled – a further sign of the discomfort and disconnect of large hierarchical organizations with Juggalo-driven organizations.

Political parties in the United States are another example of organizations that have Juggalo’ed up of late – in particular, the Obama online juggernaut from 2008 and the Tea Party folks. These are people who really strongly socially identify with what, in an economic sense, at least, still functions as a brand that you are selling to people – the democrats developed and put out the Obama brand and the Republicans developed and put out the Tea Party brand, both while giving people a lot of free reign to think they created it themselves or it was really an independent, “grass-roots” movement when it wasn’t.

And it’s worth noting that both of these organizations have had times when they have been antagonistic to hierarchical party leadership. Obama’s Juggalos would really like it if he did some of the things he never really said he’d do, but that they assume he’d do, because they created a character of him that was a lot more liberal than he is. Tea Partiers would really like to throw out a lot of the GOP leadership and start over, and tend to require that Republicans identify as independents in advertisements or against the establishment before voting for them, like with Scott Brown.

This is of course dangerous to party leadership, who are much more personally invested in keeping their jobs than in the victory of their party overall – but in the current environment, where scapegoating some random singer on TV and saying you need to apply some unimportant band-aid “for the children” for political points doesn’t really pack the punch it used to in most circles – in a place where the consensus has fragmented and changed the way technology amplifies is – Juggalos are too important to ignore.

The benefits of Juggalos

Here are some of the things Juggalos make happen, which you cannot do with a more strictly hierarchical organization, or which you cannot do yourself.

Juggalos say what you can’t say – This, to me, is the big one. Many organizations, private or government, commercial, political, or ideological, are pretty hamstrung as to what they can officially say in public. They have relationships they can’t antagonize, they have rivals within their own organizations they don’t want to give ammunition to, and they have legal consequences of making false claims when, let’s face of, most of what is said in everyday discourse by most people would be pretty expensive to defend if somebody decided to sue you for it.

So, say I make soap – I can’t say my soap is the best and other soaps suck and are shitty and don’t even get you clean. Legally, it isn’t defensible; my competitors could sue me. PR-wise, it’s unwise; my business partners in the soap industry wouldn’t really appreciate me saying such a thing; maybe some of them are religious, ascetic zealots and hate swear words (it happens all the time), and I might alienate some of my large customer base. And my rivals within my own company would jump on it, say it was inappropriate and irresponsible to say, and try to take my job.

However, if I have Juggalos – people who are really amped up and excited about my soap, get angry at my competing brands of soap, and live their live around my soap such that other people keep them at arms length, they can put that message out there, and it can’t really be pinned on me. I have plausible deniability.

The BP CEO says that he “wants his life back” after the company he runs, through decades of cost-cutting and lobbying for lower government regulation, kills a bunch of people and fouls a good portion of the ocean. He is in hot water (yuk yuk) and will probably lose his job. But it wasn’t really a “gaffe,” as people say – he made a mistake to say it, sure, but it was true and he meant it – that is really what matters to him now and what he cares about, and that isn’t going to change even if PR and marketing successfully rehabilitate the company’s image. That’s just the values you have when you run a company like that.

But a Juggalo for oil drilling can say such a thing and mean it – can put it out there on the Internet and the public consciousness and disperse it, and there wouldn’t be as many consequences for BP leadership.

This is, I think, the main reason why you see big organizations frantically building Juggalo networks these days. They are trying to get out from under onerous restrictions on saying what they want to say – of course, sometimes what they want to say reflects they are actually horrible people, but they aren’t really interested in this. They are interested in what works in the marketplace.

And with ICP – who are, by the way, not horrible people at all, they seem by all accounts to be pretty good people – nevertheless have to say things all the time that lead people to think they are horrible people. But by transmitting their message through their Juggalos rather than through the mainstream media channels, they can say what they need to say – layered in complex irony and discursive expectations that are difficult to parse, but intuitive to their audience – without getting hit for it.

Juggalos are faster and smarter than you are, especially collectively – From inside an organization, even a successful one you built yourself, the collective capabilities and productivity of your Juggalos – what they can accomplish in a very short period of time, often dwarfs what you are able to get accomplished. There are a ton of underutilized, smart people out there who can send messages around the world to thousands of people before breakfast – people that other people really listen to. Why not have them working for you for free? Heck, why not find a way to pay them?

Especially taken as a whole, the ability of ICP/Psychopathic records to do stuff is much less than the ability of the aggregate of all the local and regional Juggalo organizations to do stuff. So, by enlisting Juggalos, ICP magnifies what it can get accomplished significantly.

One organization/brand/institution that is particularly great at this is Magic: the Gathering players. The company runs tournaments with prizes that incentivize the aggregation of teams of smart, highly skilled people to spend lots of time and energy with their product – those people and others then build their own communities that figure out new ways to play, new strategies, new things to get excited about around the product. A lot of those people open or run small businesses – card trading websites or game stores – which in turn improve distribution, access to markets, and the overall infrastructure that supports the product much better than the parent company Wizards of the Coast could do itself.

Wizards of the Coast is very dependent on their Juggalos. They need hardcore Magic players, even when they do not market to them, because their skills and capabilities contribute significantly to the way the product goes to market and how it is received.

It’s no coincidence that, in the age of the hard-core fan and the decline of mainstream media, that Magic Cards, a product with lots of hard-core fans that has historically been accused by mainstream media of alternatively promoting gambling and Satan worship, is hosting its biggest tournaments ever and selling more product than ever before – even during its mainstream heyday of the mid-late 90s.

This is also particularly of note with regards to technology – Juggalos adopt and master new technology far before and far better than their parent organizations do. I sincerely doubt ICP could have built the websites that helped strengthen the early Juggalo communities in the late 90s themselves. But there were Juggalos out there that could – so they didn’t have to hire nearly as many web developers. This extends to technologies where you can’t even buy the best thinking out there – like social media in its early days, or perhaps even now, to an extent, the best people at using it aren’t for sale. But if you earn their devotion, they’ll be on your side.

Juggalos are more flexible in crises – When the pace of news travels fast, organizations can never really hope to keep up. But Juggalos can. Because they are less cautious, better organized, and, collectively at least, smarter and faster, you really want to have Juggalos on your side when something goes wrong. They will be out there talking to people and on the Twitters doing damage control for you before you’ve had breakfast (Again? What’s with the breakfast?).

Of course, the side effect of this is that you really can’t screw over your Juggalos too hard, because they can make a crisis for you as quickly as they can ameliorate a crisis made by somebody else – or by your incompetence or human tendency to make mistakes. They can turn on you and apply a lot of pressure. But the flexibility and efficacy they give you when things go badly is more than worth it.

Juggalos transcend brand – It’s always awkward to talk about Juggalos as “brand ambassadors” and the like — they aren’t about your brand, they represent something bigger than your brand that a company really has trouble wrapping its hands around. They represent the customer’s experience interacting with the product on every level of life.

Now, if the product is something like music, this makes sense, but is still something that would stymy a record company. If it is politics, it also makes sense, although it is often cynically exploited. When it starts being about soap, then you can take notice (although it is already about technology products a lot – witness Apple, another organization with lots and lots of Juggalos).


Hopefully this gives you a sense for why I think ICP is in great shape (even if Violent J should slim down a bit for the sake of his health), and the beginnings of why we are headed for a future where more and more organizations foster the development of their own Juggalos.

“My soap is the best and other soaps suck and are shitty” can’t be that far away.

16 Comments on “Toward a Juggalo Theory of Value, Part 2”

  1. Chris #

    fuckin’ economics, how do they work?


  2. Count Spatula #

    Nice work, fenzel! I was really looking forward to this and it didn’t disappoint.

    Everything you’ve said here reminds me of one of my favourite fandoms, the Harry Potter fandom, which probably has the biggest Juggalo-style community in the world. A few years back Warner Bros. made a huge mistake when they targeted people for making fansites, and sent them letters about how they would sue them for copyright infringement. They didn’t realize there was this family-like community building for their product right under their nose.

    The HP Juggalos gathered together and organized a huge boycott of everything Harry Potter-merchandise related (except the books which didn’t go through WB). When WB realized how much money they were losing, they patched things up with the fan base, and haven’t really nurtured it, but have let it thrive without interference. Now the Harry Potter community has it’s own bands that sings songs about Harry Potter (a genre called Wizard Rock) that in turn have their own Juggalo fanbases, it’s like Juggalos within Juggalos.

    Unlike the ICP or the Obama campaign, though, nobody really crafted the Juggalo culture in Harry Potter, it just happened.


  3. stokes #

    It will be really interesting to see what happens to the Wizard Rock bands now that there aren’t any more Harry Potter books coming out. If they ARE able to keep it up, it will be a powerful endorsement of Fenzel’s theory. Harry and the Potters are awesome, but mainstream success is not an option for them. They need to go Juggalo or go home, as it were.


  4. DaveMc #

    So, lemme see if I understand this … Sarah Palin is a sort of Juggalo Queen? She’s certainly able to say things that no elected official can say.


  5. fenzel OTI Staff #


    Sarah Palin is a one-woman Insane Clown Posse.


  6. inmate #

    Video games used to rely on Juggaloes almost entirely. I can only think of one commercial for video games or systems before the current generation (PSOne portable LCD screen). The Juggalo is effectively responsible for video games as we know them today.

    Also, I will henceforth call any fanboy a ” Juggalo” and link to Part 1 for reference.


  7. Count Spatula #

    @stokes Very true. But despite the fact that the books – and effectively the inspiration for the songs – has now been around for 3 years, and there’s probably a song called “Expecto Patronum” by every single band, Wizard Rock still has more than enough interest for entirely Wizard Rock-related conventions like Wrockstock to go ahead (and grow). If one bands stops, there’s always a new one that pops up to replace it. And now some bands are looking at new fandoms to follow.

    But of course the entire problem is that unlike the ICP, there’s restrictions held in place by the actual companies this kind of thing endorses (although tbh WB hasn’t been all that strict about them so far *fingers crossed*. Maybe they’re learning…) which stops Wizard Rock from growing that huge. It’s kind of a shame IMO. It’d be nice if the big, hulking organization took some positive action and promoted their self-cultivating Juggalo world.


  8. Steve #

    “…and live their live”

    Fix that.


  9. Timothy J Swann #

    Fascinating, and reminds me a lot of the trends in modern marketing a la the film The Jones, where actors are indeed being hired to say, on the London Underground have ‘spontaneous’ questions about a new book they both ‘happen to be reading’ – not only can companies not say certain things, certain of the things they can say will be instinctively ignored in a way that were it said by a Juggalo (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) we would take on-board.

    Quick question, and something I’ve been thinking about recently (if I can get enough sociology and get through my finals may try for a guest post) is geek pride – must the Juggalo be absolutely devoted, or say someone who will constantly be promoting the latest Whedon enterprise, the Guild, the other internet videos from effinfunny, all vaguely linked but by no means a single devotion, count as a Juggalo?


  10. C Morton #

    The big issue here, I think, is the niche nature of markets today. In the past, to be successful as, say, a band, you needed lots of folks in the area to like you so you’d be able to draw a crowd, and that demanded at least some level of main-stream-ness. But nowadays we have a global culture of billions of people. If you can get one thousandth of one percent of the people you meet to really, really like your stuff, then you have a market of several thousand people, which is plenty. Whereas, if you’re mainstream, you’re contending with several thousand other mainstream bands which is a hell of a fight. And so having an aesthetic that’s completely out there can be the best option.

    On the other hand you mention soap/Apple juggalos, and how they can be brand ambassadors, and here I don’t think the argument works. When I’m considering the ups and downs of technology options, I absolutely don’t want to hear from someone who loves Apple. They will tell me that Apple is the best. I know this. I don’t consider their input worthwhile for this very reason. Likewise, if someone tells me about their favorite soap, revealing that it’s the only soap they ever use, I’m thinking ‘hmm, how can I get a sense of this soap’s qualities if this person can’t give me any comparison to other soaps?’ (although, I can’t account for the more impressionable members of society, they might be all over this)

    Instead, I prefer to hear from someone without such an emotional stake in the brand, like a respected comparison website, or perhaps just someone I know who’s tried this new soap and thinks it’s a real improvement. And let’s be honest: there are plenty of people who are less likely to listen to ICP after they see the gaudy countenances of their fan-base. But that’s not the point, is it? The point is that ICP has a market share that is never going away, a 401k of social capital, and like any good investors they’ll be laughing all the way to the bank (never mind that it’s a creepy clown laugh).


  11. Brimstone #

    reminds me of the 1000 True Fans thing –

    and i’m a True, Dedicated Fan for a kinda genericy rock and roll band (The Hold Steady) and, yeah, i’m an annoying evangelist type. but you gotta also take into account the social part of it (which i think you did). i’m friends with other fans online, met them at shows, heard the band give shoutouts to their fans… i’ve got heaps of good memories around that. i’m invested, like a sports fan. multiply that times 1000x and you get ICP

    even a mainstream sucess like Lady Gaga has her dedicated Little Monsters

    as for Wizard Rock… Tolkien Rock still exists. and Harry Potter is pretty mainstream


  12. Gab #

    ::raises hand:: Twihards, anyone? They’re a fascinating marriage between the corporate puppet and the crazed devotee- they buy butt-loads of merchandise, but they definitely go apesh*t on the twitters if anything remotely negative about the franchise comes out. Also, Stephanie Meyer’s reaction to the “leak” of _Midnight Sun_ parallels the reaction WB first had to some of the stuff in the HP fandom- I highly doubt anything like that will happen again, given how she got a lot of flack from her fans for how whiney the whole thing was and how viscerally they demanded it back. That whole fiasco totally demonstrates the part about them being able to turn on their idols- she posted the leaked stuff herself, in the end, and while her apology was still pretty whiney, the point is she still complied with her fans and even apologized to them. But they take what Meyer says otherwise (about lifestyle, role models, love, you name it) and go further than she ever can because she still has to operate within the corporate standard. Meyer can say she wants girls to be *like* Bella, but fangirls can friggin’ insist on being *called* Bella and dump their boyfriends because the poor saps aren’t sparkly- and these fans share their stories, swoon over the vamps and fuzzies together, and weep with one another over the trials and tribulations of Miss Isabella Swan.

    Oh, and, I hate to do this, Stokes, but… well, ACTUALLY, there are more JKR-written pieces in the works: there will be an official HP encyclopedia, written by JKR herself, sooner or later- she keeps talking about it, at least, and I have no doubts she’ll go for it, if only because of the cash cow that is the franchise. This will actually be in opposition to the “Lexicon,” a fan-written one she sued the author over in 2008- he changed/revised it and it was published a while later. This is an interesting case because it originated as a website and JKR went to it frequently, even going so far as to admit she used it as a quick-fix fact-checker for herself as she was writing the last couple books. So one could say she turned on the fan and he turned back with the support of the rest, and the book got published anyway.

    BTW, Fenzel: “Sarah Palin is a one-woman Insane Clown Posse.”

    Best. Line. Ever.

    If I had photoshop, I’d make that into a picture and then a T-shirt on cafepress.


  13. Count Spatula #

    @Gab, actually the majority of the Harry Potter fandom was totally against what the Lexicon was trying to do. To most of the hard core fans, Steve Vanderark (the guy who wrote the Lexicon) was deemed as a traitor and “not a real fan”.

    @brimstone I don’t think something has to be completely underground for the Juggalo culture to be there in full swing. The Harry Potter fandom has it’s own fandoms within that fandom, so though everyone has heard of Harry Potter itself, hardly anyone has heard about Wizard Rock – the socially awkward part which most people percieve as fans going overboard.


  14. Gab #

    @Count Spatula: Crap, you’re right, I totally forgot that part! Another reason why that whole incident is so complex- he was bashed by other fans, yes, but they still went out and bought the dang thing! Being a Harry Potter fan myself, I had mixed emotions about it: the guy shouldn’t have gone forward with publishing after losing the lawsuit, but at the same time, not only do “unofficial guides” to other things and properties get published all the bloody time, but JKR had given the guy’s site an award in the past. And there are other unofficial guides to *Harry Potter*’s universe that have gone un-sued and un-complained about by the fans. IMO, it was a situation where everybody could have operated better/ more ethically/ morally, but no one was 100% to blame, either.


  15. Brimstone #

    Count: my point was that Wizard Rock has legs because it’s a subcultural part of something that is mainstream so your average person hearing a Wizard Rock song might get the references


  16. RadicalLeft #

    This could completely change our society.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this started happening with things like soap, but the appeal of some corporate product is limited. Unethical corporations would at least have to clean up their act. People might buy soap made by children sweatshop workers in a third world country because its cheap but they’re not going to become “juggalos” for it.

    This will encourage companies to be more progressive. In fact the more radical the better. I can imagine the radical left becoming revitalized and not only that but large cooperative federations gaining a “juggalo” following, especially with economic troubles getting worse. There is more and more cynicism towards the political system. Add that these “juggalos” love participating and in many ways are more powerful than their idols and some form of democratic socialism extending direct democracy throughout the economy and with “sovereign” control invested at the most local level possible would become attractive.

    On the other hand you can bet the wealthy and powerful will be trying their hardest to stop this, and if they win the public over by creating their own “juggalos” like they seem to be doing with the tea party this could be disastrous. Imagine one power-hungry charismatic individual gets the presidency and gets a large swath of the country to be his “fans” and gets them to do what ever he wants. This situation could easily lead to a freer, more equitable society or to a tyranny ruling over brainwashed masses.


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