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		<title>By: mlawski</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2010/02/08/overthinking-lost-10/#comment-15316</link>
		<dc:creator>mlawski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 06:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lauren: Thanks for the suggestion! I keep hearing that Supernatural is getting better and better, so maybe I&#039;ll put it on my &quot;to watch (eventually)&quot; list. Unfortunately, that list is miles long now, but one day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lauren: Thanks for the suggestion! I keep hearing that Supernatural is getting better and better, so maybe I&#8217;ll put it on my &#8220;to watch (eventually)&#8221; list. Unfortunately, that list is miles long now, but one day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2010/02/08/overthinking-lost-10/#comment-15312</link>
		<dc:creator>lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize it&#039;s weeks past this post now but I just read it and have to tell you that you should watch the show &lt;i&gt;Supernatural&lt;/i&gt; for at least the following two reasons:

1) Mark Pellegrino (Lost&#039;s Jacob) plays Lucifer. How can anyone not want to watch that? 

2) The show is in the middle of a big fate vs. free will storyline. The main characters have actually been told at this point that there is no free will, everything is predestined, and they are and always have been pawns. Obviously the satisfying story would be to see the heroes exercise free will to &quot;save the day&quot;, but try as they might, at every turn so far they haven&#039;t managed to do anything but what they&#039;re fated to do. It&#039;s very interesting stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize it&#8217;s weeks past this post now but I just read it and have to tell you that you should watch the show <i>Supernatural</i> for at least the following two reasons:</p>
<p>1) Mark Pellegrino (Lost&#8217;s Jacob) plays Lucifer. How can anyone not want to watch that? </p>
<p>2) The show is in the middle of a big fate vs. free will storyline. The main characters have actually been told at this point that there is no free will, everything is predestined, and they are and always have been pawns. Obviously the satisfying story would be to see the heroes exercise free will to &#8220;save the day&#8221;, but try as they might, at every turn so far they haven&#8217;t managed to do anything but what they&#8217;re fated to do. It&#8217;s very interesting stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Doublemint</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2010/02/08/overthinking-lost-10/#comment-15046</link>
		<dc:creator>Doublemint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking there&#039;s a fifth possibilty for the two timelines. My theory is that the &quot;LA X&quot; timeline is essentially an extended epilogue. It&#039;s not a &#039;flash to the side&#039; showing us a parallel universe, it&#039;s a flashforward showing us the new timeline that will be eventually born from the ultimate showdown with Smokey on the Island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking there&#8217;s a fifth possibilty for the two timelines. My theory is that the &#8220;LA X&#8221; timeline is essentially an extended epilogue. It&#8217;s not a &#8216;flash to the side&#8217; showing us a parallel universe, it&#8217;s a flashforward showing us the new timeline that will be eventually born from the ultimate showdown with Smokey on the Island.</p>
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		<title>By: djmisty</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2010/02/08/overthinking-lost-10/#comment-15024</link>
		<dc:creator>djmisty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they can bring back walt.. as jacob!!

just like the other man is locke, jacob would be walt!  This may overcome the writers concerns about his age since its jacob, you know. It can also show why the others wanted walt so badly and thought he was special!!

Also a showdown at the end between locke and walt, about the bright and dark since they discussed this in season 1, is a perfect idea to bring those two together firstly to explay what locke meant by the stones and have a showdown between them,,

I should be a writer man, and if this happens then lost will be the best show that ever and will ever come in history</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they can bring back walt.. as jacob!!</p>
<p>just like the other man is locke, jacob would be walt!  This may overcome the writers concerns about his age since its jacob, you know. It can also show why the others wanted walt so badly and thought he was special!!</p>
<p>Also a showdown at the end between locke and walt, about the bright and dark since they discussed this in season 1, is a perfect idea to bring those two together firstly to explay what locke meant by the stones and have a showdown between them,,</p>
<p>I should be a writer man, and if this happens then lost will be the best show that ever and will ever come in history</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2010/02/08/overthinking-lost-10/#comment-15020</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BWNNN: I mostly agree... but again, lots of times &quot;Christian&quot; has shown up just to make ghostly appearances to Jack, or to give guidance (to Sun and Lapidus in S5, for example).  I agree that Smokey appears in other forms in order to influence people... but &quot;Christian&quot; doesn&#039;t always seem consistent in that regard.  Sometimes he tells people what to do (Locke and the frozen donkey wheel); others he chats with but is content just to hang out (Sun &amp; Lapidus); and other times he just appears in the distance, only to vanish moments later (Jack).

Also, when Kate saw the horse from her past -- I believe the powers-that-be on the show have said that was an island manifestation.  If so, I assume it&#039;s Smokey.  But why?  Even if it&#039;s not Smokey... again, why?

(My sense is that as the show has progressed, just what the &quot;spirits&quot; are has evolved over time; I&#039;m fine with that, but am starting to wonder a) why Smokey can only appear as someone who&#039;s dead, and b) if Smokey is the only entity who&#039;s able to do this trick... or if some of the appearances have actually been Jacob (i.e., Kate&#039;s horse).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BWNNN: I mostly agree&#8230; but again, lots of times &#8220;Christian&#8221; has shown up just to make ghostly appearances to Jack, or to give guidance (to Sun and Lapidus in S5, for example).  I agree that Smokey appears in other forms in order to influence people&#8230; but &#8220;Christian&#8221; doesn&#8217;t always seem consistent in that regard.  Sometimes he tells people what to do (Locke and the frozen donkey wheel); others he chats with but is content just to hang out (Sun &amp; Lapidus); and other times he just appears in the distance, only to vanish moments later (Jack).</p>
<p>Also, when Kate saw the horse from her past &#8212; I believe the powers-that-be on the show have said that was an island manifestation.  If so, I assume it&#8217;s Smokey.  But why?  Even if it&#8217;s not Smokey&#8230; again, why?</p>
<p>(My sense is that as the show has progressed, just what the &#8220;spirits&#8221; are has evolved over time; I&#8217;m fine with that, but am starting to wonder a) why Smokey can only appear as someone who&#8217;s dead, and b) if Smokey is the only entity who&#8217;s able to do this trick&#8230; or if some of the appearances have actually been Jacob (i.e., Kate&#8217;s horse).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Williams NBC Nightly News</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2010/02/08/overthinking-lost-10/#comment-15015</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Williams NBC Nightly News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin, regarding Christian: I think MiB/Smokey almost exclusively used Christian for the longest time, and for several characters, because for a while Christian was the only (relevant) dead character.  When they crashed, Christian was in the casket on the plane.  As more characters have died, MiB/Smokey&#039;s been able to increase his repertoire (i.e. assuming Alex after she&#039;d been shot to influence Ben, Locke to influence everyone after Ben had strangled him).  He assumes the most effective personage for each character he tries to influence.  

Now that he has Locke, we probably won&#039;t see Christian unless he needs him to swing Jack some way. (Kind of like the basic weapon of a video game, useful on the first levels, but as you progress you forget it- until its needed for some specific purpose).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin, regarding Christian: I think MiB/Smokey almost exclusively used Christian for the longest time, and for several characters, because for a while Christian was the only (relevant) dead character.  When they crashed, Christian was in the casket on the plane.  As more characters have died, MiB/Smokey&#8217;s been able to increase his repertoire (i.e. assuming Alex after she&#8217;d been shot to influence Ben, Locke to influence everyone after Ben had strangled him).  He assumes the most effective personage for each character he tries to influence.  </p>
<p>Now that he has Locke, we probably won&#8217;t see Christian unless he needs him to swing Jack some way. (Kind of like the basic weapon of a video game, useful on the first levels, but as you progress you forget it- until its needed for some specific purpose).</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2010/02/08/overthinking-lost-10/#comment-15007</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jon Eric: oh, I think Smokey has *probably* been every spirit character... what makes me wonder about Christian is that he&#039;s usually *useful* as a spirit.  Not only that, but typically a character will see Smokey as someone from their past... and yet, &quot;Christian&quot; has appeared to a number of characters, without any explanation that he&#039;s Jack&#039;s father (think of Ben, Sun, Lapidus, Locke, etc.).  There&#039;s no sense that he&#039;s judging them and may shortly turn into Smokey to pass judgment -- consider his appearance to Eko as Yemi in S3, and to Ben as his daughter in S5.  It&#039;s almost as if &quot;Christian&quot; is the Dave Bowman of Lost, if you will -- he&#039;s &quot;evolved&quot; to a higher plane and gives advice without ever actually helping outright.

Also, I&#039;ve never thought it possible that Smokey could manifest as two (or more) different characters at the same time -- remember, &quot;Locke&quot; isn&#039;t around when Ben goes to be judged and sees his daughter, for example; when she goes away, &quot;Locke&quot; comes back.  But in S5, when Sun and Lapidus are in New Otherton with &quot;Christian&quot;... doesn&#039;t &quot;Locke&quot; call to them from outside?  (I can&#039;t remember now, will have to break out the DVD now!  That might be wrong, come to think of it)

While I wonder if he&#039;s the manifestation of Smokey... I don&#039;t necessarily think he is Jacob, either.  If anything, he really does seem like the true &quot;spirit&quot; of the island.  I don&#039;t know... &quot;Christian&quot; always seems like a good guy, as if he&#039;s trying to inspire whoever he&#039;s with on to better things.  (And not necessarily the MiB&#039;s agenda...)

Really, I just think the odd thing about it is that for all MiB/Smokey&#039;s limitless power... he can&#039;t, say, take the form of Sawyer while Kate&#039;s on the other side of the island -- it&#039;s only the dead.  (Then again, you can sprinkle a ring of ash to keep Smokey out -- how powerful is THAT??!!)  I think part of the explanation will happen as part of the Claire-followup in 2007, when they explain whether or not she died in the mercenary attack.  It&#039;ll probably involve Miles as well, since he can read the thoughts of the dead... he&#039;s already shown quite an interest in Claire post-attack, as if he knows she&#039;s a zombie/MiB/spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jon Eric: oh, I think Smokey has *probably* been every spirit character&#8230; what makes me wonder about Christian is that he&#8217;s usually *useful* as a spirit.  Not only that, but typically a character will see Smokey as someone from their past&#8230; and yet, &#8220;Christian&#8221; has appeared to a number of characters, without any explanation that he&#8217;s Jack&#8217;s father (think of Ben, Sun, Lapidus, Locke, etc.).  There&#8217;s no sense that he&#8217;s judging them and may shortly turn into Smokey to pass judgment &#8212; consider his appearance to Eko as Yemi in S3, and to Ben as his daughter in S5.  It&#8217;s almost as if &#8220;Christian&#8221; is the Dave Bowman of Lost, if you will &#8212; he&#8217;s &#8220;evolved&#8221; to a higher plane and gives advice without ever actually helping outright.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve never thought it possible that Smokey could manifest as two (or more) different characters at the same time &#8212; remember, &#8220;Locke&#8221; isn&#8217;t around when Ben goes to be judged and sees his daughter, for example; when she goes away, &#8220;Locke&#8221; comes back.  But in S5, when Sun and Lapidus are in New Otherton with &#8220;Christian&#8221;&#8230; doesn&#8217;t &#8220;Locke&#8221; call to them from outside?  (I can&#8217;t remember now, will have to break out the DVD now!  That might be wrong, come to think of it)</p>
<p>While I wonder if he&#8217;s the manifestation of Smokey&#8230; I don&#8217;t necessarily think he is Jacob, either.  If anything, he really does seem like the true &#8220;spirit&#8221; of the island.  I don&#8217;t know&#8230; &#8220;Christian&#8221; always seems like a good guy, as if he&#8217;s trying to inspire whoever he&#8217;s with on to better things.  (And not necessarily the MiB&#8217;s agenda&#8230;)</p>
<p>Really, I just think the odd thing about it is that for all MiB/Smokey&#8217;s limitless power&#8230; he can&#8217;t, say, take the form of Sawyer while Kate&#8217;s on the other side of the island &#8212; it&#8217;s only the dead.  (Then again, you can sprinkle a ring of ash to keep Smokey out &#8212; how powerful is THAT??!!)  I think part of the explanation will happen as part of the Claire-followup in 2007, when they explain whether or not she died in the mercenary attack.  It&#8217;ll probably involve Miles as well, since he can read the thoughts of the dead&#8230; he&#8217;s already shown quite an interest in Claire post-attack, as if he knows she&#8217;s a zombie/MiB/spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2010/02/08/overthinking-lost-10/#comment-15001</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mlawski:

One of your arguments that the Losties are all &quot;special&quot; is as follows:

&lt;i&gt;The flashback device used in the first and second season seems appropriate for a show about “special” characters.  It’s like the show is saying: Look! These individuals are each so special we have to write entire episodes of backstory for them so you can see how unique and interesting each of them is.&lt;/i&gt;

I strongly disagree with that statement, actually, and in fact, I think it&#039;s a pretty good argument that they&#039;re &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; all special. You could have had an intricate flashback device with even the most mundane of characters in a situation like this. In fact, that&#039;s the quality about &lt;i&gt;Lost&lt;/i&gt; that drove me to it - the way that each character used this crisis in his or her life to reflect on a lesson learned from a similar crisis in their past life. I don&#039;t think it implies any &quot;specialness&quot; on the part of our heroes. (Also, I think losing touch with this device has made the show get less appealing as time goes on. But who am I to complain? I&#039;m still watching.)

@Kevin,

I don&#039;t know, as soon as newLocke/Smokey said &quot;I&#039;m sorry you had to see me like that,&quot; it seemed obvious to me that he was also, in fact, every dead character we&#039;ve ever seen walking around - including and especially Christian. Can anyone convince me why that wouldn&#039;t be so?

Finally, @no one in particular:

I liveblogged the season premiere last week. If you&#039;re interested, you can read it here. Obviously, there will be spoilers. http://www.jon-eric.com/blog/2010/02/liveblogging-lost.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mlawski:</p>
<p>One of your arguments that the Losties are all &#8220;special&#8221; is as follows:</p>
<p><i>The flashback device used in the first and second season seems appropriate for a show about “special” characters.  It’s like the show is saying: Look! These individuals are each so special we have to write entire episodes of backstory for them so you can see how unique and interesting each of them is.</i></p>
<p>I strongly disagree with that statement, actually, and in fact, I think it&#8217;s a pretty good argument that they&#8217;re <i>not</i> all special. You could have had an intricate flashback device with even the most mundane of characters in a situation like this. In fact, that&#8217;s the quality about <i>Lost</i> that drove me to it &#8211; the way that each character used this crisis in his or her life to reflect on a lesson learned from a similar crisis in their past life. I don&#8217;t think it implies any &#8220;specialness&#8221; on the part of our heroes. (Also, I think losing touch with this device has made the show get less appealing as time goes on. But who am I to complain? I&#8217;m still watching.)</p>
<p>@Kevin,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, as soon as newLocke/Smokey said &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry you had to see me like that,&#8221; it seemed obvious to me that he was also, in fact, every dead character we&#8217;ve ever seen walking around &#8211; including and especially Christian. Can anyone convince me why that wouldn&#8217;t be so?</p>
<p>Finally, @no one in particular:</p>
<p>I liveblogged the season premiere last week. If you&#8217;re interested, you can read it here. Obviously, there will be spoilers. <a href="http://www.jon-eric.com/blog/2010/02/liveblogging-lost.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.jon-eric.com/blog/2010/02/liveblogging-lost.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: SeanFracture</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2010/02/08/overthinking-lost-10/#comment-14998</link>
		<dc:creator>SeanFracture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha, I suppose, but Kate did have the chance to be protective mother... But not for long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha, I suppose, but Kate did have the chance to be protective mother&#8230; But not for long.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2010/02/08/overthinking-lost-10/#comment-14997</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One non-theorizing note on the bizarro timeline: all the actors playing the Losties are getting a great chance to show off their acting chops by portraying the same character at different stages in their development- Terry O&#039;Quinn is a bitter cripple AND the MiB, Josh Holloway is an immature con and a grieving husband, Matthew Fox is a doctor with daddy issues and a man trying to figure out his destiny, and so on. All except Kate, that is. She hasn&#039;t change a [swear word] bit since the first episode. This just makes me hate her even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One non-theorizing note on the bizarro timeline: all the actors playing the Losties are getting a great chance to show off their acting chops by portraying the same character at different stages in their development- Terry O&#8217;Quinn is a bitter cripple AND the MiB, Josh Holloway is an immature con and a grieving husband, Matthew Fox is a doctor with daddy issues and a man trying to figure out his destiny, and so on. All except Kate, that is. She hasn&#8217;t change a [swear word] bit since the first episode. This just makes me hate her even more.</p>
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