Comments on: The Bittersweet Dramatic Irony of Cartoon Network’s Clone Wars

By: Jason Ward

Jason Ward — Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:29:25 +0000

The Jedi believe the Clones could be individualistic. A lot of time is spent in the series repeating the idea that they matter to the Jedi. Yoda wants to see their faces in the first episode. Plo-Koon tells them he values their lives. The Jedi don’t believe the Clones are some sort of Manchurian Candidate who can be switched on to turn against them. The Republic paid for the Clones, they were made for the Republic. There’s no reason to not trust it, especially after it saved their lives on Geonosis and they fought side by side for three years together. They assumed Syfo Dias, a Jedi, ordered the Clones and Count Dooku knew about it and wanted the army.

By: Anarchangel

Anarchangel — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:27:55 +0000

Just to flip the switch to darkness again, the only reason that heroic courage in the face of death is a good thing is because it’s making the best of a horrible situation. We can empathise with that situation by extrapolating from our own experiences and we hope that in the same situation we will act similarly. After all, hope is the only thing Pandora left in the box.

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Overthinking It : The Clone Wars « thwap! — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:30:54 +0000

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By: Matt

Matt — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:38:35 +0000

No, I’m sure Gab’s actually right, and the raisin-ing was just an unexpected side effect. After all, how many times had Palpatine actually had his Force Lightning blocked? And unless he was just sitting around in his office firing lightning at a lightsaber, there was no real way of knowing what would go down. I was just going for the joke of “Ha ha, Palpatine is a raisin”. LOOOOOLLLLL.

By: Adam (The Jack Sack)

Adam (The Jack Sack) — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:10:39 +0000

Ugh, I bet Lucas can refer to some bullshit conversation he had with Joseph Campbell about turning yourself into a raisin and how it’s a signpost on the path to enlightenment/death.

With all the reboots and do-overs coming out of Hollywood, the three movies that so desperately need to be thrown out and redone the most occupy us here in this discussion…

By: Matt

Matt — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:59:30 +0000

Did Palpatine realize that Windu using the badass-motherfucker-saber to block the lightning was gonna make him into a raisin? I don’t think any apprentice would be worth that.

By: Gab

Gab — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:24:27 +0000

Sorry for the double-post, but I forgot to mention that part of why it’s kind of obvious that Anakin was a tool in that scene was because he may cut off Windu’s hand, but Palpatine ultimately throws Windu out of the window. But Anakin is emo enough to be all “whoa is me” about it and assume total responsibility. And while yeah, it is VASTLY his fault and he had probably intended to kill Windu in defense of Palpatine, he’s too self-centered to realize he’s being manipulated and becomes a puppet.

So another Christ-parallel, except while Anakin gets a masochistic pleasure out of PLAYING the martyr, Jesus, you know, was one. Ahem.

Okay, going to bed now, sorry.

By: Gab

Gab — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:14:23 +0000

@Adam, in Re: Palpatine v. Mace

That whole thing was contrived and orchestrated by Palpatine. He knew Anakin would show up, and he let himself get almost-beat so that Anakin would off Mace FOR him- yeah, he could have done it himself, but that wouldn’t have served his purpose. Palpatine’s whole plan was to make Anakin “protect” the “Way of the Jedi” by doing something so ANTI-Jedi, it would prove the hypocrisy of the Jedi way of life, thus making Anakin lose faith in it and turn to the Dark Side. I know I sound like a broken record (going off about hypocrisy by Jedi again), but I’ve actually overthought the topic and *that very scene* elsewhere, chunk-by-chunk, because it was so stuck in my head and I needed to get it out SOMEWHERE (so yay personal blogs and YouTube clips). When Anakin says, “What have I done?” and Palpatine says, “You have fulfilled your destiny,” the dialogue should actually read something more like, “F***, I shouldn’ta done that,” and, “No, you’re doing what *I* wanted you to, tool, now go fetch me some babies and make me a sammich, I’m hungry.”

@Belinkie in Re: Stray II: Like Dock basically said, everything that ever goes wrong in the Star Wars universe, at least in the movies, can be traced back to Yoda somehow, some way. Think of it like the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. It’s all his fault. The little green bastard.

By: Matthew Belinkie

Matthew Belinkie — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:13:10 +0000

@Matt – First of all, the “Jesus was a pretty good fighter pilot” line reminded me of why I love this site.

But now that you got me thinking about it, I want to say one of my biggest disappointments with the prequels is that Vader doesn’t get to do anything awesome. After Anakin becomes evil he kills:
1. Some kids
2. Some offensive Asian stereotypes.
3.

Obi-Wan SPECIFICALLY TOLD US that Vader hunted down and killed all the Jedi, and this was probably #1 on the list of things I wanted to see from a prequel trilogy. Darth Vader just slicing Jedi like a goddamn julienne salad. (And yes fanboys, I’m aware that this happens in the extended universe. Doesn’t count.)

Episode III is the least objectionable of this new trilogy, but they way they WASTE Vader – the greatest villain of all time – is pretty much unforgivable. There’s a word for that. Let me think about it… ah yes:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

By: Adam (The Jack Sack)

Adam (The Jack Sack) — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:26:45 +0000

I wonder if there’s something to Palpatine keying off of Anakin’s dark energy for his own power. Specifically, I think back to the showdown with Mace & Anakin. As soon as Anakin chops off Mace’s arm, Palpatine comes to life like a fucking monkey with cymbals. And then he starts throwing furniture at Yoda later on.

But I agree, the “corrupt conception” suggested in “Sith” was retconned silliness. So, Luke’s paternal grandfather is The Emperor? How is it in a galaxy so large, everyone is related and/or met each other at some point over the course of several decades. Fucking Lucas…