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		<title>By: takenoko</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/09/14/podcast-episode-63/#comment-12337</link>
		<dc:creator>takenoko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 07:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In podcast 43 I believe it was Fenzel who asked if anyone saw Lexx. A coworker lent me some VHS copies that he made of it. He hyped it up as some crazy sci-fi show, which it really was, but in a real bad way. It was just all over the place and seemingly weird for the sake of being weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In podcast 43 I believe it was Fenzel who asked if anyone saw Lexx. A coworker lent me some VHS copies that he made of it. He hyped it up as some crazy sci-fi show, which it really was, but in a real bad way. It was just all over the place and seemingly weird for the sake of being weird.</p>
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		<title>By: stokes</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/09/14/podcast-episode-63/#comment-12306</link>
		<dc:creator>stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read an interview with a guitar teacher who said he was getting a lot of people coming in for lessons who were shocked to realize how much harder actual guitar was than Guitar Hero guitar.  So I guess some people do get confused... but it doesn&#039;t last long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an interview with a guitar teacher who said he was getting a lot of people coming in for lessons who were shocked to realize how much harder actual guitar was than Guitar Hero guitar.  So I guess some people do get confused&#8230; but it doesn&#8217;t last long.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/09/14/podcast-episode-63/#comment-12299</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gab Really?  I guess my friends are all less silly then that; no one equates Rock Band with real performance.  Then again, most of my friends are musicians...

And there&#039;s a whole genre of YouTube videos of bands doing poorly in Rock Band at their own songs, so that would be a resounding &quot;yes&quot; to the question of people who are better in real life than at the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gab Really?  I guess my friends are all less silly then that; no one equates Rock Band with real performance.  Then again, most of my friends are musicians&#8230;</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s a whole genre of YouTube videos of bands doing poorly in Rock Band at their own songs, so that would be a resounding &#8220;yes&#8221; to the question of people who are better in real life than at the game.</p>
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		<title>By: James T.</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/09/14/podcast-episode-63/#comment-12287</link>
		<dc:creator>James T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Queen and songwriting credits: most of the major Queen albums have a pretty even distribution of compositions from different members. Mercury wrote many of the most well-known ones, but May had a few hits too, most notably &quot;We Will Rock You&quot; and &quot;Fat-Bottomed Girls.&quot; &quot;Another One Bites the Dust&quot; was actually written by Deacon, the bass player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Queen and songwriting credits: most of the major Queen albums have a pretty even distribution of compositions from different members. Mercury wrote many of the most well-known ones, but May had a few hits too, most notably &#8220;We Will Rock You&#8221; and &#8220;Fat-Bottomed Girls.&#8221; &#8220;Another One Bites the Dust&#8221; was actually written by Deacon, the bass player.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/09/14/podcast-episode-63/#comment-12285</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan:  I was just about to make the analogy of playing Guitar Hero/Rock Band to close-reading scores, when I saw that you made the point more eloquently than I could have.  Suffice to say, I agree - you can learn a lot about how songs are put together by studying how the musical parts are put together.  (This is also a product of good game-making on the part of the developers, of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan:  I was just about to make the analogy of playing Guitar Hero/Rock Band to close-reading scores, when I saw that you made the point more eloquently than I could have.  Suffice to say, I agree &#8211; you can learn a lot about how songs are put together by studying how the musical parts are put together.  (This is also a product of good game-making on the part of the developers, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: Gab</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/09/14/podcast-episode-63/#comment-12284</link>
		<dc:creator>Gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wrather: I guess I did come across as a little harsh.  Those people giving up extra homes do indeed help the economy when they&#039;re in town.  But you&#039;re right, it is rather difficult to feel genuinely sorry for *them*, while much easier to feel sorry about the loss of income the city/state gets when they put the houses up for sale.

@Dan: I agree 100% with what you have, but I can&#039;t hold back my desire to point out that some people don&#039;t &quot;get it&quot; the way you do, and they actually see it as performance.  This itself varies in degree of realism, for some will get inspired to take real guitar or voice lessons, while others assume getting good scores in the game means they must automatically be able to play the real thing. 

General question: Am I the only one that knows people good at the real thing and terrible at the game?

Oh, and one very specialized appreciation for it: One of the kids in my classroom does &quot;air Rock Band guitar&quot; when he&#039;s stemming sometimes during his lessons, and it&#039;s 1) a lot less distracting than when he wants a Hot Wheels car or something, and 2) approved by his physical and occupational therapists-they really like the idea because of the coordination it takes.  It&#039;s actually pretty impressive- he&#039;s a million times better than I&#039;d ever be, I have no doubts.

Just a theory: I think the way different people &quot;interpret&quot; a game like Rock Band, what they take out of it, can vary from person-to-person in a way not unlike other games.  Take all of those &quot;fact-based&quot; war games, for example- an enlisted guy is probably going to think about one on a very different level from someone who&#039;s only experience with war or veterans was watching &quot;Forrest Gump.&quot;  I think the conversation here is a little skewed because the comments, so far, have been dominated by people with at least mild experience in music performance and/or analysis.  I&#039;m not saying this is a bad thing, but I&#039;d be curious to hear from anyone that has never played or studied music but has experience (good or bad) with the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wrather: I guess I did come across as a little harsh.  Those people giving up extra homes do indeed help the economy when they&#8217;re in town.  But you&#8217;re right, it is rather difficult to feel genuinely sorry for *them*, while much easier to feel sorry about the loss of income the city/state gets when they put the houses up for sale.</p>
<p>@Dan: I agree 100% with what you have, but I can&#8217;t hold back my desire to point out that some people don&#8217;t &#8220;get it&#8221; the way you do, and they actually see it as performance.  This itself varies in degree of realism, for some will get inspired to take real guitar or voice lessons, while others assume getting good scores in the game means they must automatically be able to play the real thing. </p>
<p>General question: Am I the only one that knows people good at the real thing and terrible at the game?</p>
<p>Oh, and one very specialized appreciation for it: One of the kids in my classroom does &#8220;air Rock Band guitar&#8221; when he&#8217;s stemming sometimes during his lessons, and it&#8217;s 1) a lot less distracting than when he wants a Hot Wheels car or something, and 2) approved by his physical and occupational therapists-they really like the idea because of the coordination it takes.  It&#8217;s actually pretty impressive- he&#8217;s a million times better than I&#8217;d ever be, I have no doubts.</p>
<p>Just a theory: I think the way different people &#8220;interpret&#8221; a game like Rock Band, what they take out of it, can vary from person-to-person in a way not unlike other games.  Take all of those &#8220;fact-based&#8221; war games, for example- an enlisted guy is probably going to think about one on a very different level from someone who&#8217;s only experience with war or veterans was watching &#8220;Forrest Gump.&#8221;  I think the conversation here is a little skewed because the comments, so far, have been dominated by people with at least mild experience in music performance and/or analysis.  I&#8217;m not saying this is a bad thing, but I&#8217;d be curious to hear from anyone that has never played or studied music but has experience (good or bad) with the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan from Lombard</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/09/14/podcast-episode-63/#comment-12281</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan from Lombard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can brag that the Plain White T&#039;s are from the town next to me (Villa Park) and that they went to the same High School as me; some were even in my graduating class. I even have a friend who lives next to the grandmother of one of the guys.

As for Lady Gaga, I watched a interview she did on &#039;Friday Night with Jonathan Ross&#039; and she said that her stage name was a &#039;Queen&#039; homage (although the only thing that pops into my mind is the song &#039;Radio Gaga&#039;) and that she did go to the different clubs as a teenager and do all sorts of crazy stuff; using hairspray in combintion with a lighter was one example she gave. She also said that she likes, and even searches for, non-traditional outfits (for the interview she was dressed in what looked to be a plastic post-it dress with one stuck in her hair). 

I think that she thrives on all the &quot;buzz&quot; her outfits and music causes, not really caring what people think about her which I think is good but at the same time it can be detrimental to her career because she&#039;ll do anything if it creates enough sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can brag that the Plain White T&#8217;s are from the town next to me (Villa Park) and that they went to the same High School as me; some were even in my graduating class. I even have a friend who lives next to the grandmother of one of the guys.</p>
<p>As for Lady Gaga, I watched a interview she did on &#8216;Friday Night with Jonathan Ross&#8217; and she said that her stage name was a &#8216;Queen&#8217; homage (although the only thing that pops into my mind is the song &#8216;Radio Gaga&#8217;) and that she did go to the different clubs as a teenager and do all sorts of crazy stuff; using hairspray in combintion with a lighter was one example she gave. She also said that she likes, and even searches for, non-traditional outfits (for the interview she was dressed in what looked to be a plastic post-it dress with one stuck in her hair). </p>
<p>I think that she thrives on all the &#8220;buzz&#8221; her outfits and music causes, not really caring what people think about her which I think is good but at the same time it can be detrimental to her career because she&#8217;ll do anything if it creates enough sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/09/14/podcast-episode-63/#comment-12279</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just reread my post, I notice a bunch of typos.  Sigh.  Most are obvious, but the second to last sentence should be &quot;It&#039;s easier with them than without them,&quot; not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just reread my post, I notice a bunch of typos.  Sigh.  Most are obvious, but the second to last sentence should be &#8220;It&#8217;s easier with them than without them,&#8221; not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: fenzel</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/09/14/podcast-episode-63/#comment-12276</link>
		<dc:creator>fenzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add that if you play something like guitar hero or not, you listen to each individual piece of music VERY closely, and you listen to it A LOT.

That alone is worth something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that if you play something like guitar hero or not, you listen to each individual piece of music VERY closely, and you listen to it A LOT.</p>
<p>That alone is worth something.</p>
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		<title>By: stokes</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/09/14/podcast-episode-63/#comment-12273</link>
		<dc:creator>stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan - I&#039;ve been trying to find the right words for how Rock Band relates to actual music basically since it first came out, and I think you really nailed it here.  It&#039;s not performance... but it brings you closer to the music in the sort of the same way that performance does.  I personaly feel like I understand music according to the following scale (low to high): 
1) Music I have listened to
2) Music I have played
3) Music I have analyzed
4) Music I have written myself

Music I&#039;ve played on Rock Band would probably be about a 1.5.  That&#039;s pretty low, but it&#039;s nothing to sniff at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; I&#8217;ve been trying to find the right words for how Rock Band relates to actual music basically since it first came out, and I think you really nailed it here.  It&#8217;s not performance&#8230; but it brings you closer to the music in the sort of the same way that performance does.  I personaly feel like I understand music according to the following scale (low to high):<br />
1) Music I have listened to<br />
2) Music I have played<br />
3) Music I have analyzed<br />
4) Music I have written myself</p>
<p>Music I&#8217;ve played on Rock Band would probably be about a 1.5.  That&#8217;s pretty low, but it&#8217;s nothing to sniff at.</p>
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