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		<title>By: Bon Findley</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/08/28/aliens-as-metaphor/#comment-12219</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon Findley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Timothy Toner.  

Bob:  In this day and age of technology, hunting is an act of cowardice - using advanced weaponry to kill defenseless nonhumans.  If you hunters are such heroes, try &quot;hunting&quot; with no weaponry.  Yeah, I thought not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Timothy Toner.  </p>
<p>Bob:  In this day and age of technology, hunting is an act of cowardice &#8211; using advanced weaponry to kill defenseless nonhumans.  If you hunters are such heroes, try &#8220;hunting&#8221; with no weaponry.  Yeah, I thought not.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/08/28/aliens-as-metaphor/#comment-11968</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Predator comments more on colonialism rather than anti-hunting.  You&#039;ve got a technologically superior force invading and reaping trophies from a third-world, tropical landscape while massacring the natives, who in spite of their noble efforts to fight back with their primitive weapons just don&#039;t stand a chance.  Various nations have appeared as colonial forces throughout history such as the English, French and, oh, Dutch.

Pete- While I know that AVP and and Predator technically share a franchise, don&#039;t you think it&#039;s rather cruel to relate them like that?  It&#039;s like garnishing a Christmas ham with Spam and Baco-bits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Predator comments more on colonialism rather than anti-hunting.  You&#8217;ve got a technologically superior force invading and reaping trophies from a third-world, tropical landscape while massacring the natives, who in spite of their noble efforts to fight back with their primitive weapons just don&#8217;t stand a chance.  Various nations have appeared as colonial forces throughout history such as the English, French and, oh, Dutch.</p>
<p>Pete- While I know that AVP and and Predator technically share a franchise, don&#8217;t you think it&#8217;s rather cruel to relate them like that?  It&#8217;s like garnishing a Christmas ham with Spam and Baco-bits.</p>
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		<title>By: fenzel</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/08/28/aliens-as-metaphor/#comment-11860</link>
		<dc:creator>fenzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to go out on a limb and say the Predator films are pretty pro-Predator. The Predator&#039;s chief trait is that he&#039;s totally awesome. His secondary trait is that he&#039;s an alien. Killing people is a distant third, and most of the people who die in Predator movies are pretty annoying and kind of ask for it.

AVP supports this thesis.

As for AVP:R, if you saw it, tell me what it&#039;s like, because I am amazed at your courage and initiative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to go out on a limb and say the Predator films are pretty pro-Predator. The Predator&#8217;s chief trait is that he&#8217;s totally awesome. His secondary trait is that he&#8217;s an alien. Killing people is a distant third, and most of the people who die in Predator movies are pretty annoying and kind of ask for it.</p>
<p>AVP supports this thesis.</p>
<p>As for AVP:R, if you saw it, tell me what it&#8217;s like, because I am amazed at your courage and initiative.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/08/28/aliens-as-metaphor/#comment-11805</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah, the alien one was funny :P  Comparing abortion of a sub-sentient alien killing machine that will murder you in the birthing to abortion of a sentient being with rights of its own is a bit iffy, but the rest of the article was pretty funny and yes, I think everyone&#039;s noticed the facehugger&#039;s rather suggestive mouth parts :D

Oh and to Timothy Toner; that could very well be seen as the purpose of predator.  If so, however, it (and your own comments) are pretty heavily flawed.  First and foremost because we kill animals to survive, and it is undeniably more humane to hunt than to raise livestock.  Livestock are seen as a necessity for modern society, but the lives of the animals themselves are horrible and unnatural, and no doubt confusing and distressing for them as well, to whatever degree they experience such emotions.  Being hunted down and killed, however, is the fate that practically every herbivore can expect in its old age, if it manages to make it that far first.  It is natural; even hunting by humans with weaponry has been going on long enough to easily be called natural.  Every deer or pig or whatever you hunt and kill is one less animal that has to be subjected to the highly unpleasant situation of being held as livestock.  Hunting and fishing for your own protein is about the most nature friendly thing a person could do.  Not to mention the fact that hunters, hunting organizations, and fees upon hunters do more than every single eco-organization on the face of the Earth to protect wildlife and improve or re-habilitate habitats.  The day PETA (those dog murdering hypocrites) and their pals manage to ban hunting is the day American wildlife and wildlife habitats start the march for their graves.  About the only space your folks haven&#039;t turned into shopping malls and salons is the space my folks have bought and turned into preserves and conservation land.  

So please, calm down the whole anti-hunting thing.  It is one of the most brazenly uneducated and hypocritical arguments in history.  There&#039;s only one humane way to procure meat and it sure isn&#039;t from the grocery store :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, the alien one was funny :P  Comparing abortion of a sub-sentient alien killing machine that will murder you in the birthing to abortion of a sentient being with rights of its own is a bit iffy, but the rest of the article was pretty funny and yes, I think everyone&#8217;s noticed the facehugger&#8217;s rather suggestive mouth parts :D</p>
<p>Oh and to Timothy Toner; that could very well be seen as the purpose of predator.  If so, however, it (and your own comments) are pretty heavily flawed.  First and foremost because we kill animals to survive, and it is undeniably more humane to hunt than to raise livestock.  Livestock are seen as a necessity for modern society, but the lives of the animals themselves are horrible and unnatural, and no doubt confusing and distressing for them as well, to whatever degree they experience such emotions.  Being hunted down and killed, however, is the fate that practically every herbivore can expect in its old age, if it manages to make it that far first.  It is natural; even hunting by humans with weaponry has been going on long enough to easily be called natural.  Every deer or pig or whatever you hunt and kill is one less animal that has to be subjected to the highly unpleasant situation of being held as livestock.  Hunting and fishing for your own protein is about the most nature friendly thing a person could do.  Not to mention the fact that hunters, hunting organizations, and fees upon hunters do more than every single eco-organization on the face of the Earth to protect wildlife and improve or re-habilitate habitats.  The day PETA (those dog murdering hypocrites) and their pals manage to ban hunting is the day American wildlife and wildlife habitats start the march for their graves.  About the only space your folks haven&#8217;t turned into shopping malls and salons is the space my folks have bought and turned into preserves and conservation land.  </p>
<p>So please, calm down the whole anti-hunting thing.  It is one of the most brazenly uneducated and hypocritical arguments in history.  There&#8217;s only one humane way to procure meat and it sure isn&#8217;t from the grocery store :P</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jaffa in Stargate as a metaphor for slavery and oppression.  While it would be easy to say they represent black slaves only, simply because Teal&#039;c was black, a deeper examination reveals that they work on many different levels: The American Revolution, the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt, the European resistance against the Nazi regime, and most of all the modern struggles of Iraqis against Saddam Hussein/Afghanis against the Taliban.  This last possibility is even more intriguing if you consider that the goa&#039;uld are recognizable as middle eastern to a Western audience (deserts, pyramid ships) and that the Jaffa receive aid from the modern US Air Force in their fight against their ancient oppressors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jaffa in Stargate as a metaphor for slavery and oppression.  While it would be easy to say they represent black slaves only, simply because Teal&#8217;c was black, a deeper examination reveals that they work on many different levels: The American Revolution, the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt, the European resistance against the Nazi regime, and most of all the modern struggles of Iraqis against Saddam Hussein/Afghanis against the Taliban.  This last possibility is even more intriguing if you consider that the goa&#8217;uld are recognizable as middle eastern to a Western audience (deserts, pyramid ships) and that the Jaffa receive aid from the modern US Air Force in their fight against their ancient oppressors.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Ripley had a child on earth who was awaiting her return from the voyage of the Nostromo in the first film.  In the second movie, she finds out that her daughter has died of complications from old age while she was in hibernation, which is what makes her adoption of Newt at the colony in Aliens so touching, and is what makes her plight in Alien 3 and 4 take on deeper weight.

Seriously, I get the joke you&#039;re trying to make about woman parts, but your research is severely lacking.  If you&#039;re going to really be &quot;overthinking it&quot;, you really need to be &quot;minimally researching it&quot; at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Ripley had a child on earth who was awaiting her return from the voyage of the Nostromo in the first film.  In the second movie, she finds out that her daughter has died of complications from old age while she was in hibernation, which is what makes her adoption of Newt at the colony in Aliens so touching, and is what makes her plight in Alien 3 and 4 take on deeper weight.</p>
<p>Seriously, I get the joke you&#8217;re trying to make about woman parts, but your research is severely lacking.  If you&#8217;re going to really be &#8220;overthinking it&#8221;, you really need to be &#8220;minimally researching it&#8221; at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mentioned you haven&#039;t seen Alien: Resurrection.  Too bad, your breakdown of the sexuality of the aliens would&#039;ve benefitted a lot from that movie, since it&#039;s the most obvious deconstruction of sex and femininity in the series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mentioned you haven&#8217;t seen Alien: Resurrection.  Too bad, your breakdown of the sexuality of the aliens would&#8217;ve benefitted a lot from that movie, since it&#8217;s the most obvious deconstruction of sex and femininity in the series.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Toner</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/08/28/aliens-as-metaphor/#comment-11797</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Toner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Predator as an ANTI-hunting film.  Think about it--many of the animals we hunt for sport lack sufficient color definition, so that we can wear day-glo overalls and yet somehow melt into the background.  Its weaponry is vastly superior to our own, yet it pursues those with the biggest &#039;guns&#039;, because they might just pose a threat.  It even records the sounds the prey makes, and repeats them when it wants to attract other prey (a duck call).  Predator 2 reinforces this view, with the alien allowing the pregnant cop to go free--wouldn&#039;t want to screw up future gaming stock.  In short, it&#039;s about how fundamentally unfair the current state of game hunting is.  At the same time, though--an animal can get in one lucky shot every now and then, and turn the tables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Predator as an ANTI-hunting film.  Think about it&#8211;many of the animals we hunt for sport lack sufficient color definition, so that we can wear day-glo overalls and yet somehow melt into the background.  Its weaponry is vastly superior to our own, yet it pursues those with the biggest &#8216;guns&#8217;, because they might just pose a threat.  It even records the sounds the prey makes, and repeats them when it wants to attract other prey (a duck call).  Predator 2 reinforces this view, with the alien allowing the pregnant cop to go free&#8211;wouldn&#8217;t want to screw up future gaming stock.  In short, it&#8217;s about how fundamentally unfair the current state of game hunting is.  At the same time, though&#8211;an animal can get in one lucky shot every now and then, and turn the tables.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Wrather</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/08/28/aliens-as-metaphor/#comment-11773</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Wrather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris -- speaking of AIDS, have you seen our article on Ghostbusters 2 and the HIV Virus?

http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/12/and-the-ghosts-busted-on-ghostbusters-and-the-aids-crisis/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris &#8212; speaking of AIDS, have you seen our article on Ghostbusters 2 and the HIV Virus?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/12/and-the-ghosts-busted-on-ghostbusters-and-the-aids-crisis/" rel="nofollow">http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/12/and-the-ghosts-busted-on-ghostbusters-and-the-aids-crisis/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/08/28/aliens-as-metaphor/#comment-11770</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not forget about Enemy Mine. It may have taken place 100 or so years in the future, but the movie was clearly about racism. Jerry may have been a Drak, but come on, he was really black. Not only are the Draks used as slaves, but Jerry is portrayed by Lou Gossett Jr.

Great movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not forget about Enemy Mine. It may have taken place 100 or so years in the future, but the movie was clearly about racism. Jerry may have been a Drak, but come on, he was really black. Not only are the Draks used as slaves, but Jerry is portrayed by Lou Gossett Jr.</p>
<p>Great movie.</p>
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