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	<title>Comments on: Perspectives on &#8220;Livin&#8217; on a Prayer,&#8221; Music Theory Edition [Think Tank]</title>
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		<title>By: four-thirty-three &#187; Blog Archive &#187; new fave blogs</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/07/24/bon-jovi-livin-on-a-prayer-music-theory/#comment-11933</link>
		<dc:creator>four-thirty-three &#187; Blog Archive &#187; new fave blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Imaginary) Ghostbusters (which analyzes the film in terms of Lacan&#8217;s notions of the Real), Bon Jovi: Livin&#8217; on a Prayer and Music Theory, and I Will Always Have Been Back: Toward a Grand Unified Theory of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Imaginary) Ghostbusters (which analyzes the film in terms of Lacan&#8217;s notions of the Real), Bon Jovi: Livin&#8217; on a Prayer and Music Theory, and I Will Always Have Been Back: Toward a Grand Unified Theory of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: russruss</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/07/24/bon-jovi-livin-on-a-prayer-music-theory/#comment-11664</link>
		<dc:creator>russruss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my ears, there is absolutely no question that the verse is in e minor.  The VI-VII-i is *such* a common motif in 80&#039;s era rock that it&#039;s hard to really make a case that any other key is the tonal center, especially when you consider that the bass plays a pedal on e even during the other chords.

The pre-chorus has the same progression as the verse, although to my ears it kind of already hints at a Gmaj tonality - especially the little bass flourish at the end of it (C-G-A-C) followed by the D chord, which by that point sounds very dominant to me.  

Chorus seems pretty typical for G major.

As for the modulation, I&#039;m going to actually make the case for the tritone modulation.  In the second pre-chorus we&#039;re coming from a Gmaj solo, but I think e tonality is quickly established by good ol&#039; VI-VII-i.  Then the bass skips the G-affirming flourish I mentioned (perhaps to intentionally remain in e), instead jamming on C, then D, then, surprise! First, g, sort of a pivot chord with a mode change, then before we know what&#039;s what we&#039;ve gone all vi-IV-V-doo-woppy-wop in the tritone.  I disagree with piano dan about the lack of a g minor chord - it&#039;s definitely there in the guitar.

This sort of super-brash tritone modulation isn&#039;t without precedent in 80&#039;s rawk - check out the top gun anthem for a much more bold example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my ears, there is absolutely no question that the verse is in e minor.  The VI-VII-i is *such* a common motif in 80&#8242;s era rock that it&#8217;s hard to really make a case that any other key is the tonal center, especially when you consider that the bass plays a pedal on e even during the other chords.</p>
<p>The pre-chorus has the same progression as the verse, although to my ears it kind of already hints at a Gmaj tonality &#8211; especially the little bass flourish at the end of it (C-G-A-C) followed by the D chord, which by that point sounds very dominant to me.  </p>
<p>Chorus seems pretty typical for G major.</p>
<p>As for the modulation, I&#8217;m going to actually make the case for the tritone modulation.  In the second pre-chorus we&#8217;re coming from a Gmaj solo, but I think e tonality is quickly established by good ol&#8217; VI-VII-i.  Then the bass skips the G-affirming flourish I mentioned (perhaps to intentionally remain in e), instead jamming on C, then D, then, surprise! First, g, sort of a pivot chord with a mode change, then before we know what&#8217;s what we&#8217;ve gone all vi-IV-V-doo-woppy-wop in the tritone.  I disagree with piano dan about the lack of a g minor chord &#8211; it&#8217;s definitely there in the guitar.</p>
<p>This sort of super-brash tritone modulation isn&#8217;t without precedent in 80&#8242;s rawk &#8211; check out the top gun anthem for a much more bold example.</p>
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		<title>By: Pianodan</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/07/24/bon-jovi-livin-on-a-prayer-music-theory/#comment-10935</link>
		<dc:creator>Pianodan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops.  In my previous comment, I of course meant to say the song isn&#039;t playing a gm chord followed by an EbM chord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops.  In my previous comment, I of course meant to say the song isn&#8217;t playing a gm chord followed by an EbM chord.</p>
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		<title>By: Pianodan</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/07/24/bon-jovi-livin-on-a-prayer-music-theory/#comment-10934</link>
		<dc:creator>Pianodan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further nerdery; on the first measure of the key change, the song isn&#039;t really playing a G chord followed by an Eb chord.  If you listen to the original, the bass is just arpeggiating an Eb major chord, which is just plain old IV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further nerdery; on the first measure of the key change, the song isn&#8217;t really playing a G chord followed by an Eb chord.  If you listen to the original, the bass is just arpeggiating an Eb major chord, which is just plain old IV.</p>
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		<title>By: Pianodan</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/07/24/bon-jovi-livin-on-a-prayer-music-theory/#comment-10933</link>
		<dc:creator>Pianodan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I&#039;ve never heard that as anything but an abrupt modulation.  I don&#039;t know that there&#039;s really a lot of preparation implied by that D major chord, and I certainly don&#039;t hear the new key as g minor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I&#8217;ve never heard that as anything but an abrupt modulation.  I don&#8217;t know that there&#8217;s really a lot of preparation implied by that D major chord, and I certainly don&#8217;t hear the new key as g minor.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Desbiens</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/07/24/bon-jovi-livin-on-a-prayer-music-theory/#comment-10929</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Desbiens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely over-thinking it.

Jon: &quot;Hey guys, you know how lots of great songs repeat the chorus at the end of the song an extra time, but a bit higher than before? We should totally do that with this song!!!&quot;

Richie: &quot;Sure, we could do that. We just have to figure out a way to make it sound like it fits nicely. We&#039;ll definitely need a way to transition to the higher chorus that isn&#039;t jarring to the listener.&quot;

Jon: &quot;Get to it, old bean! Remember, a chorus repeated just a little bit higher equals MORE FEELING!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely over-thinking it.</p>
<p>Jon: &#8220;Hey guys, you know how lots of great songs repeat the chorus at the end of the song an extra time, but a bit higher than before? We should totally do that with this song!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Richie: &#8220;Sure, we could do that. We just have to figure out a way to make it sound like it fits nicely. We&#8217;ll definitely need a way to transition to the higher chorus that isn&#8217;t jarring to the listener.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jon: &#8220;Get to it, old bean! Remember, a chorus repeated just a little bit higher equals MORE FEELING!!!&#8221;</p>
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