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		<title>By: James T.</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/29/overthinking-lost-3/#comment-11192</link>
		<dc:creator>James T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m coming to this a little late because I just discovered this site recently, but I want to say I&#039;m an avid fan of Lost and I absolutely love that you&#039;re doing this.

I would be wary of looking for concise, quick answers from a show like this because it&#039;s trying so hard to be the ultimate ontological mystery. I think you&#039;re hitting the nail on the head when you say it&#039;s part of the postmodern tradition.

&quot;Numbers&quot; is a good an episode as any to use to examine this aesthetic. I haven&#039;t read From Hell, but if I understand your reading of The Crying of Lot 49*, the opinion of Pynchon&#039;s audience (who are supposed to hold Oedipa as somewhat ridiculous, I suspect) is held by many of the characters on Lost, particularly the rationalists (Jack, Sayid, Charlie), who observe Hurley&#039;s quest with growing concern.

However, the perspective of Hurley informed by unique experiences that the audience is aware of and Hurley&#039;s companions are not. Hurley is satisfied by external validation (Rousseau believes him), and walks away from the experience without answers (or, if you must, with the answer &quot;there is no answer&quot;) but with peace of mind.

Meanwhile, the final ominous shot of the episode lands on the Hatch, where the numbers are present yet again. Here, Locke, who is never satisfied with simply knowing he isn&#039;t crazy (would external validation have saved Oedipa? She seems lonelier than Hurley, but not as lonely as Locke. Perhaps she just doesn&#039;t trust the universe as much), intends to go deeper...ultimately, at great cost.

So all answers may be equally valid, and the whole thing might be entirely meaningless, but the structure of the show often seems to give the perspective of characters who are desperately seeking for answers.

This could cause anxiety (&quot;are they ever going to answer the big questions?&quot;) but it also drives the plot forward, and while smaller mysteries are resolved or at least explained (&quot;what&#039;s that note Sawyer&#039;s always reading?&quot; &quot;Who recorded the French message?&quot; &quot;Who torched the raft?&quot;), the actions of the characters bring us to even bigger mysteries (&quot;what&#039;s in the Hatch?&quot; &quot;Who are those people on the boat?&quot;), which gives a lot of meat for bigger and more dramatic storylines.

This structure is generally successful, but could be ultimately frustrating. I very much like your idea of combining ontological mystery with sci-fi, as the latter seems to be the natural progression of the former.

(*my reading of Pynchon was slightly different; Oedipa was capable of finding out what she wanted to know, but never did because irrelevant signals kept distracting her - which suggests that one would need to be practically omniscient to figure out the ultimate answer to any one Big Question. Then again, I was only given two days to write a paper on the thing, so I felt a bit like Oedipa myself. I think a better model of post-modern ontological mystery is the Illuminatus! Trilogy, which is a major influence for the Lost writers. Here the &quot;all answers are equally valid&quot; philosophy is pretty much plainly stated, but the reader is given a lot of tools to defend against B.S. along the way).

Loving the posts and looking forward to reading the rest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming to this a little late because I just discovered this site recently, but I want to say I&#8217;m an avid fan of Lost and I absolutely love that you&#8217;re doing this.</p>
<p>I would be wary of looking for concise, quick answers from a show like this because it&#8217;s trying so hard to be the ultimate ontological mystery. I think you&#8217;re hitting the nail on the head when you say it&#8217;s part of the postmodern tradition.</p>
<p>&#8220;Numbers&#8221; is a good an episode as any to use to examine this aesthetic. I haven&#8217;t read From Hell, but if I understand your reading of The Crying of Lot 49*, the opinion of Pynchon&#8217;s audience (who are supposed to hold Oedipa as somewhat ridiculous, I suspect) is held by many of the characters on Lost, particularly the rationalists (Jack, Sayid, Charlie), who observe Hurley&#8217;s quest with growing concern.</p>
<p>However, the perspective of Hurley informed by unique experiences that the audience is aware of and Hurley&#8217;s companions are not. Hurley is satisfied by external validation (Rousseau believes him), and walks away from the experience without answers (or, if you must, with the answer &#8220;there is no answer&#8221;) but with peace of mind.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the final ominous shot of the episode lands on the Hatch, where the numbers are present yet again. Here, Locke, who is never satisfied with simply knowing he isn&#8217;t crazy (would external validation have saved Oedipa? She seems lonelier than Hurley, but not as lonely as Locke. Perhaps she just doesn&#8217;t trust the universe as much), intends to go deeper&#8230;ultimately, at great cost.</p>
<p>So all answers may be equally valid, and the whole thing might be entirely meaningless, but the structure of the show often seems to give the perspective of characters who are desperately seeking for answers.</p>
<p>This could cause anxiety (&#8220;are they ever going to answer the big questions?&#8221;) but it also drives the plot forward, and while smaller mysteries are resolved or at least explained (&#8220;what&#8217;s that note Sawyer&#8217;s always reading?&#8221; &#8220;Who recorded the French message?&#8221; &#8220;Who torched the raft?&#8221;), the actions of the characters bring us to even bigger mysteries (&#8220;what&#8217;s in the Hatch?&#8221; &#8220;Who are those people on the boat?&#8221;), which gives a lot of meat for bigger and more dramatic storylines.</p>
<p>This structure is generally successful, but could be ultimately frustrating. I very much like your idea of combining ontological mystery with sci-fi, as the latter seems to be the natural progression of the former.</p>
<p>(*my reading of Pynchon was slightly different; Oedipa was capable of finding out what she wanted to know, but never did because irrelevant signals kept distracting her &#8211; which suggests that one would need to be practically omniscient to figure out the ultimate answer to any one Big Question. Then again, I was only given two days to write a paper on the thing, so I felt a bit like Oedipa myself. I think a better model of post-modern ontological mystery is the Illuminatus! Trilogy, which is a major influence for the Lost writers. Here the &#8220;all answers are equally valid&#8221; philosophy is pretty much plainly stated, but the reader is given a lot of tools to defend against B.S. along the way).</p>
<p>Loving the posts and looking forward to reading the rest!</p>
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		<title>By: Jayemel</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/29/overthinking-lost-3/#comment-10791</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayemel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if you combine your thoughts here with your last posts about Season 1, you&#039;ll be pretty close to understanding LOST already.  You said:

&quot;Life may not be written by a show runner in the sky.  It may never give us the answers we’re all looking for.&quot;

No, life isn&#039;t, but, as you say, TV is.  The island is a microcosm of life.  And, in regards to the questions you put forward here, as we live, all of your questions are always on the table.  As you&#039;ve already notice, all those questions are always on the table on LOST too.

Explaining the island would be like explaining The Force.  There will never be a satisfactory fictional answer to &quot;why are you here&quot; because there most likely will never be a satisfactory real answer to &quot;why are you here.&quot;  What&#039;s much more important is the statement &quot;you are here,&quot; or, even more powerful, &quot;I am here.&quot;  (Note how Season 1 is largely about how the characters ended up on the island.  Coincidence? I think not.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if you combine your thoughts here with your last posts about Season 1, you&#8217;ll be pretty close to understanding LOST already.  You said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Life may not be written by a show runner in the sky.  It may never give us the answers we’re all looking for.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, life isn&#8217;t, but, as you say, TV is.  The island is a microcosm of life.  And, in regards to the questions you put forward here, as we live, all of your questions are always on the table.  As you&#8217;ve already notice, all those questions are always on the table on LOST too.</p>
<p>Explaining the island would be like explaining The Force.  There will never be a satisfactory fictional answer to &#8220;why are you here&#8221; because there most likely will never be a satisfactory real answer to &#8220;why are you here.&#8221;  What&#8217;s much more important is the statement &#8220;you are here,&#8221; or, even more powerful, &#8220;I am here.&#8221;  (Note how Season 1 is largely about how the characters ended up on the island.  Coincidence? I think not.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric ( a "fan" of Lost)</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/29/overthinking-lost-3/#comment-10536</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric ( a "fan" of Lost)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no answer. The writers have stumbled across a secret storytelling formula designed to enthrall all peoples and are steadily eroding all our minds. They do this because they are evil, vicious sons of ****** and they are angling to buy up the various businesses, homes, and government positions that will open up when season 6 ends and 98 percent of the fanbase end up in mental institutions and hospitals, thus putting them one step closer to world domination.

That&#039;s my Lost theory, any way. I hate Lost, but I hate the way a heroin addict hates heroin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no answer. The writers have stumbled across a secret storytelling formula designed to enthrall all peoples and are steadily eroding all our minds. They do this because they are evil, vicious sons of ****** and they are angling to buy up the various businesses, homes, and government positions that will open up when season 6 ends and 98 percent of the fanbase end up in mental institutions and hospitals, thus putting them one step closer to world domination.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my Lost theory, any way. I hate Lost, but I hate the way a heroin addict hates heroin.</p>
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		<title>By: mlawski</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/29/overthinking-lost-3/#comment-10256</link>
		<dc:creator>mlawski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll tell you the spoiler when we get to it.  I don&#039;t want to spoil anyone else :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll tell you the spoiler when we get to it.  I don&#8217;t want to spoil anyone else :)</p>
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		<title>By: specialagentdalecooper</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/29/overthinking-lost-3/#comment-10249</link>
		<dc:creator>specialagentdalecooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m enjoying reading this series.  I&#039;ve always liked getting people&#039;s reactions on this show as they catch up with it; a good friend of mine watched seasons 1-4 all in a few weeks right around when season 5 was starting up.  And I gave somebody else the same quirky pleasure when I was catching up myself (I didn&#039;t start watching until near the end of season 2).

There&#039;s a lot I want to say in response to this post, but I think almost all of it would be at least a low-grade spoiler - and I don&#039;t want to wreck the opportunity for you to get into the show&#039;s groove (or not) as it unfolds.

I&#039;m also curious about the one thing that was spoiled for you.  The show has a lot of hefty surprises coming up - a lot is probably underselling it, really - so it can take a hit like that and still deliver shocks a-plenty.  But there&#039;s a couple things that I would really hope weren&#039;t revealed to you in advance, because they&#039;re so much more powerful when you don&#039;t know they&#039;re coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m enjoying reading this series.  I&#8217;ve always liked getting people&#8217;s reactions on this show as they catch up with it; a good friend of mine watched seasons 1-4 all in a few weeks right around when season 5 was starting up.  And I gave somebody else the same quirky pleasure when I was catching up myself (I didn&#8217;t start watching until near the end of season 2).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot I want to say in response to this post, but I think almost all of it would be at least a low-grade spoiler &#8211; and I don&#8217;t want to wreck the opportunity for you to get into the show&#8217;s groove (or not) as it unfolds.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also curious about the one thing that was spoiled for you.  The show has a lot of hefty surprises coming up &#8211; a lot is probably underselling it, really &#8211; so it can take a hit like that and still deliver shocks a-plenty.  But there&#8217;s a couple things that I would really hope weren&#8217;t revealed to you in advance, because they&#8217;re so much more powerful when you don&#8217;t know they&#8217;re coming.</p>
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		<title>By: babybiceps</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/29/overthinking-lost-3/#comment-10233</link>
		<dc:creator>babybiceps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dock: I believe there&#039;s a similar &quot;What are you doing here?&quot; montage for Doctor Who. It&#039;s looooong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dock: I believe there&#8217;s a similar &#8220;What are you doing here?&#8221; montage for Doctor Who. It&#8217;s looooong.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/29/overthinking-lost-3/#comment-10229</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting, again. You give an option of the show going two directions, but what if it went BOTH directions...

What were you spoiled on? There are some FANTASTIC moments (some of, I believe, the best moments ever on scripted TV where I was most glued to the set) coming up at different points, and you definitely do not want to spoiled on those. I would pretty much not visit any website with anything remotely related to LOST until you finish Season 5. 

Keep em coming! This is very interesting to read before Season 6 starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, again. You give an option of the show going two directions, but what if it went BOTH directions&#8230;</p>
<p>What were you spoiled on? There are some FANTASTIC moments (some of, I believe, the best moments ever on scripted TV where I was most glued to the set) coming up at different points, and you definitely do not want to spoiled on those. I would pretty much not visit any website with anything remotely related to LOST until you finish Season 5. </p>
<p>Keep em coming! This is very interesting to read before Season 6 starts.</p>
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		<title>By: Beej</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/29/overthinking-lost-3/#comment-10228</link>
		<dc:creator>Beej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say those are the only special features (outside of deleted scenes which are pretty interesting) that I can honestly recommend if you&#039;re trying to get the pure experience.  They don&#039;t really spoil anything at all, but just give insight.  I really do suggest watching them after you finish anytime after you finish S3; they helped ease my break between seasons 3 and 4, and I was voracious for anything new.

And yeah, there are a couple of moments in them that are either referenced back in S5 or just sits as a decent revelation for the series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say those are the only special features (outside of deleted scenes which are pretty interesting) that I can honestly recommend if you&#8217;re trying to get the pure experience.  They don&#8217;t really spoil anything at all, but just give insight.  I really do suggest watching them after you finish anytime after you finish S3; they helped ease my break between seasons 3 and 4, and I was voracious for anything new.</p>
<p>And yeah, there are a couple of moments in them that are either referenced back in S5 or just sits as a decent revelation for the series.</p>
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		<title>By: dock</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/29/overthinking-lost-3/#comment-10225</link>
		<dc:creator>dock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny how you kept going back to the question &quot;what are we doing here&quot; as a potential theme for the show, in so much that the actual quote &quot;What are you doing here&quot; is said at one point or another by every character on the show (Jack says is like every 10 minutes in the next 2 seasons).  It got to the point where my friends and I looked for it as sort of an inside joke, how would it be said (the context, tone and who says it)?  You could create a 10 minute youtube montage of &quot;what are you doing here&quot; quotes that probably could qualify as a brief overview of the entire show to date.

ps, sorry for pointing this out because now you will never be able to stop noticing it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny how you kept going back to the question &#8220;what are we doing here&#8221; as a potential theme for the show, in so much that the actual quote &#8220;What are you doing here&#8221; is said at one point or another by every character on the show (Jack says is like every 10 minutes in the next 2 seasons).  It got to the point where my friends and I looked for it as sort of an inside joke, how would it be said (the context, tone and who says it)?  You could create a 10 minute youtube montage of &#8220;what are you doing here&#8221; quotes that probably could qualify as a brief overview of the entire show to date.</p>
<p>ps, sorry for pointing this out because now you will never be able to stop noticing it..</p>
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		<title>By: Tom P</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/06/29/overthinking-lost-3/#comment-10217</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mlawski: Unless you think I should watch them at a specific time. In which case, let me know.

The &quot;missing pieces&quot; webisodes were aired on abc.com between seasons 3 and 4.  They are considered canonical.  And one of them is kind of a huge deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mlawski: Unless you think I should watch them at a specific time. In which case, let me know.</p>
<p>The &#8220;missing pieces&#8221; webisodes were aired on abc.com between seasons 3 and 4.  They are considered canonical.  And one of them is kind of a huge deal.</p>
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