Comments on: Systematic Street Fighters and Skilltesters http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/21/systematic-street-fighters-and-skilltesters/ Overthinking It subjects the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn't deserve. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:53:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: Nick http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/21/systematic-street-fighters-and-skilltesters/#comment-7298 Nick Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:25:06 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=6185#comment-7298 I have to admit, in the days of Tekken 2 I always used to pick Eddie and always did that one move where he stands on his hands and spins around so he kicks whoever comes near him in the face. Much like that thing when you're a kid and you punch the air (eat the air) and go towards someone else (a pie) and claim it's their fault if they get hit (eaten) for being in the way. (Sometimes I struggle to differentiate between my actual life and cartoons) Back on topic - this strategy meant that I ALWAYS won against anyone I played, to the point where people would refuse to play against me unless I picked a different player. But I play that game now, against some more "serious gamers" and I get absolutely hammered. Because they've all played against people who do the same thing and they're used to dealing with it and kicking my ass. What I think I'm trying to say here is that each special move has its strengths and its weaknesses, and to be an experienced and succesful player you have to learn both the special moves and the ways to avoid them and it probably takes a lot of fighting the spammers to progress to this level. Which I guess is sort of a mediocre metaphor for life: To really become good at something you will always have to go through that first rough patch where you lose to irritatingly inadequate people. Or something... Unfortunately I was always just one of those annoyingly inadequate people and I no longer play Tekken. Which is sad. I have to admit, in the days of Tekken 2 I always used to pick Eddie and always did that one move where he stands on his hands and spins around so he kicks whoever comes near him in the face.
Much like that thing when you’re a kid and you punch the air (eat the air) and go towards someone else (a pie) and claim it’s their fault if they get hit (eaten) for being in the way. (Sometimes I struggle to differentiate between my actual life and cartoons)
Back on topic – this strategy meant that I ALWAYS won against anyone I played, to the point where people would refuse to play against me unless I picked a different player. But I play that game now, against some more “serious gamers” and I get absolutely hammered. Because they’ve all played against people who do the same thing and they’re used to dealing with it and kicking my ass.
What I think I’m trying to say here is that each special move has its strengths and its weaknesses, and to be an experienced and succesful player you have to learn both the special moves and the ways to avoid them and it probably takes a lot of fighting the spammers to progress to this level.

Which I guess is sort of a mediocre metaphor for life: To really become good at something you will always have to go through that first rough patch where you lose to irritatingly inadequate people. Or something…

Unfortunately I was always just one of those annoyingly inadequate people and I no longer play Tekken. Which is sad.

]]> By: Gab http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/21/systematic-street-fighters-and-skilltesters/#comment-7290 Gab Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:56:34 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=6185#comment-7290 Hm, this makes me think a lot about Yoshimitsu from the _Tekken_ series. He has those moves that pump up his lifebar, but they make him extremely vulnerable. And the ones where he stabs himself are a great concept, but even the split-second of estimating if there is little enough power left in your opponent to do it successfully (as a round-ending strike) takes about as much time as you'd need to do it, and by then they're already getting you in the back somehow. How long would you say it takes a person to step out of the n00b/spamming category and into the realm of the more nuanced and experienced (game)fighter? And is it spamming if you do know a bunch of other moves but resort to the same thing over and over because you're in a pinch? Hm, this makes me think a lot about Yoshimitsu from the _Tekken_ series. He has those moves that pump up his lifebar, but they make him extremely vulnerable. And the ones where he stabs himself are a great concept, but even the split-second of estimating if there is little enough power left in your opponent to do it successfully (as a round-ending strike) takes about as much time as you’d need to do it, and by then they’re already getting you in the back somehow.

How long would you say it takes a person to step out of the n00b/spamming category and into the realm of the more nuanced and experienced (game)fighter? And is it spamming if you do know a bunch of other moves but resort to the same thing over and over because you’re in a pinch?

]]> By: fenzel http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/21/systematic-street-fighters-and-skilltesters/#comment-7286 fenzel Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:16:58 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=6185#comment-7286 @Stokes I think it's accurate in that a mainstream Ken player has no plan for winning the match and tends to just repeat the same thing over and over again. Maybe there should be another branch on there for when Ken actually wins the match, but making that sacrifice in accuracy for the sake of humor is probably worth it. @Stokes

I think it’s accurate in that a mainstream Ken player has no plan for winning the match and tends to just repeat the same thing over and over again.

Maybe there should be another branch on there for when Ken actually wins the match, but making that sacrifice in accuracy for the sake of humor is probably worth it.

]]> By: stokes http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/21/systematic-street-fighters-and-skilltesters/#comment-7282 stokes Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:09:03 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=6185#comment-7282 But in all seriousness: Pete, is the chart accurate in its implied claim that the Shoryouken is never, ever a good idea? But in all seriousness: Pete, is the chart accurate in its implied claim that the Shoryouken is never, ever a good idea?

]]> By: stokes http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/21/systematic-street-fighters-and-skilltesters/#comment-7281 stokes Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:06:02 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=6185#comment-7281 falconKick! falconKick!

]]> By: John P. http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/21/systematic-street-fighters-and-skilltesters/#comment-7278 John P. Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:05:17 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=6185#comment-7278 Rebuttal: HADOKEN! Rebuttal: HADOKEN!

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