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		<title>By: v1r1d1s</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/07/the-political-message-of-watchmen/#comment-11346</link>
		<dc:creator>v1r1d1s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see it in far simpler terms relating to the NWO.

False Flag Operation and subsequent Order from Chaos = Veidt/Pyramid false flag operation.
(Albeit Alien false flag in the comic or Dr M as per film)

Dr M = All powerful, bringer of light, understands why it had to be done, Lucifer?

Night Owl = Owl is worshipped by the NWO. Endorses the plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see it in far simpler terms relating to the NWO.</p>
<p>False Flag Operation and subsequent Order from Chaos = Veidt/Pyramid false flag operation.<br />
(Albeit Alien false flag in the comic or Dr M as per film)</p>
<p>Dr M = All powerful, bringer of light, understands why it had to be done, Lucifer?</p>
<p>Night Owl = Owl is worshipped by the NWO. Endorses the plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Stanstheman</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/07/the-political-message-of-watchmen/#comment-8408</link>
		<dc:creator>Stanstheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Laurie represents societies vices and passions. Sex, drugs and entertainment, plus she is a product of violent passion of her mother who&#039;s part of the plot and the Comedian. Nite Owl represents the liberal do gooder, who has good intentions but is empotent sometimes and doesn&#039;t react with his guts and his heart. He and Laurie together is modern society, the quaint educated nice guys and the passionate seedy side, they need each other to be complete. I get a new world order feel from the movie(I have&#039;nt read the book yet), if Ozy is right and the only way to stop fighting wars is to divide the world up(which has already happened, nowhere else to discover or conquer whoever you view it) and find a resource that creates unlimited energy. I personally think there is a model currently for unlimited energy. Solar and nuclear energy can and will at some point produce all needed human energy. The key is needed, who decides, maybe Ozy and big business. If all those things happen we no longer would fight, maybe bicker but not fight. Since NATO, IMF, World Bank, the UN and more importantly the global economic structure that allows for so much of one countries debt and assets to be owned by other countries and people we would&#039;nt go around destroying places where we have so much invested. We being every country. China owns how much of are national debt and is invested in how much of are infrastructure and vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Laurie represents societies vices and passions. Sex, drugs and entertainment, plus she is a product of violent passion of her mother who&#8217;s part of the plot and the Comedian. Nite Owl represents the liberal do gooder, who has good intentions but is empotent sometimes and doesn&#8217;t react with his guts and his heart. He and Laurie together is modern society, the quaint educated nice guys and the passionate seedy side, they need each other to be complete. I get a new world order feel from the movie(I have&#8217;nt read the book yet), if Ozy is right and the only way to stop fighting wars is to divide the world up(which has already happened, nowhere else to discover or conquer whoever you view it) and find a resource that creates unlimited energy. I personally think there is a model currently for unlimited energy. Solar and nuclear energy can and will at some point produce all needed human energy. The key is needed, who decides, maybe Ozy and big business. If all those things happen we no longer would fight, maybe bicker but not fight. Since NATO, IMF, World Bank, the UN and more importantly the global economic structure that allows for so much of one countries debt and assets to be owned by other countries and people we would&#8217;nt go around destroying places where we have so much invested. We being every country. China owns how much of are national debt and is invested in how much of are infrastructure and vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: Gab</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/07/the-political-message-of-watchmen/#comment-7232</link>
		<dc:creator>Gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the tachyons-blocking-time-excuse thing is a huge plot hole in both the novel and movie.  If Doctor Manhattan does see all time simultaneously, even what he can&#039;t see about Veidt&#039;s plan when it&#039;s happening because of tachyons would be negated by the period of linear time AFTER the tachyons left and he was &quot;normal again.&quot;  He has all future knowledge right now, INCLUDING after the interference stops, so he really should know about the plot before it happens, since he already knows about it after.  Same thing with the scene when the Comedian kills the Vietnamese woman in the bar- and that one didn&#039;t even include a tachyon interference.  

This, then, leads to questions about why he reacts the way he does to certain moments.  His shock and frustration during the interview, his surprise at the Comedian&#039;s violence in the bar, his bafflement at the big reveal.  He has the line where he says something like, &quot;Even my reactions are preordained.  I&#039;m just a puppet that sees the strings.&quot;  So why, exactly, does he still allow himself to react emotionally?  Why ARE those reactions preordained, if he can see what will happen as if it already has?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the tachyons-blocking-time-excuse thing is a huge plot hole in both the novel and movie.  If Doctor Manhattan does see all time simultaneously, even what he can&#8217;t see about Veidt&#8217;s plan when it&#8217;s happening because of tachyons would be negated by the period of linear time AFTER the tachyons left and he was &#8220;normal again.&#8221;  He has all future knowledge right now, INCLUDING after the interference stops, so he really should know about the plot before it happens, since he already knows about it after.  Same thing with the scene when the Comedian kills the Vietnamese woman in the bar- and that one didn&#8217;t even include a tachyon interference.  </p>
<p>This, then, leads to questions about why he reacts the way he does to certain moments.  His shock and frustration during the interview, his surprise at the Comedian&#8217;s violence in the bar, his bafflement at the big reveal.  He has the line where he says something like, &#8220;Even my reactions are preordained.  I&#8217;m just a puppet that sees the strings.&#8221;  So why, exactly, does he still allow himself to react emotionally?  Why ARE those reactions preordained, if he can see what will happen as if it already has?</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shea</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/07/the-political-message-of-watchmen/#comment-7224</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to point out one problem I found with the article by referencing a quote;

&quot;And if you want to get technical about it, the good Doctor is complicit in the attack from the beginning, in that his non-linear experience of time would have allowed him to stop it if he felt the need.)&quot; 

Actually, Dr. Manhattan&#039;s foresight into Veidt&#039;s plans was clouded by Tachyons (theoretical particles that move faster than the speed of light and exist in the Watchmen universe) that prevented him from clearly seeing the future.  In both the graphic novel and the movie, Tachyons are mentioned to have prevented Dr. M from uncovering the nature of Veidt&#039;s plans, although Dr. M did predict a major catastrophe.  In the graphic novel, there&#039;s a great scene where Dr. M starts acting like a broken record and repeating himself, addressing the wrong people and acting like he&#039;s a malfunctioning machine due to the Tachyons that I think is worth revisiting if you need a reference.  He starts talking about them right after doomsday strikes in the street with Laurie in ch. 12 I believe.

Also, I&#039;m all for more analysis of Watchmen, but I would have liked to see more in the article explain what &quot;no room for moral absolutes&quot; means for our contemporary society.  I guess I don&#039;t understand the correlation between Obama and moral absolutes when I immediately think of the Bush doctrine and Bush&#039;s &quot;You&#039;re either with us or with the terrorists&quot; absolutist lines.  I&#039;d like more interpretation of the consequences Watchmen&#039;s message for today&#039;s world from Stokes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to point out one problem I found with the article by referencing a quote;</p>
<p>&#8220;And if you want to get technical about it, the good Doctor is complicit in the attack from the beginning, in that his non-linear experience of time would have allowed him to stop it if he felt the need.)&#8221; </p>
<p>Actually, Dr. Manhattan&#8217;s foresight into Veidt&#8217;s plans was clouded by Tachyons (theoretical particles that move faster than the speed of light and exist in the Watchmen universe) that prevented him from clearly seeing the future.  In both the graphic novel and the movie, Tachyons are mentioned to have prevented Dr. M from uncovering the nature of Veidt&#8217;s plans, although Dr. M did predict a major catastrophe.  In the graphic novel, there&#8217;s a great scene where Dr. M starts acting like a broken record and repeating himself, addressing the wrong people and acting like he&#8217;s a malfunctioning machine due to the Tachyons that I think is worth revisiting if you need a reference.  He starts talking about them right after doomsday strikes in the street with Laurie in ch. 12 I believe.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m all for more analysis of Watchmen, but I would have liked to see more in the article explain what &#8220;no room for moral absolutes&#8221; means for our contemporary society.  I guess I don&#8217;t understand the correlation between Obama and moral absolutes when I immediately think of the Bush doctrine and Bush&#8217;s &#8220;You&#8217;re either with us or with the terrorists&#8221; absolutist lines.  I&#8217;d like more interpretation of the consequences Watchmen&#8217;s message for today&#8217;s world from Stokes.</p>
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		<title>By: Gab</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/07/the-political-message-of-watchmen/#comment-7212</link>
		<dc:creator>Gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wick, I know this will sound nit-picky, but stating that &quot;Ronald Raegan... defeated Soviet Socialism&quot; completely disregards, among other things, the fact that Nixon himself helped get the ball rolling with the U.S.S.R.  The Cold War ended under Reagan&#039;s watch, yes, but he does not deserve sole credit, for it ended after a long diplomatic process that began arguably as far back as Kennedy (his attempts to reach out to Khrushchev were often criticized, for example).  Then Nixon kicked the door wide open with detente (and the SALT treaties with China helped, too); and if he had not resigned, perhaps things would have turned out differently and the Berlin Wall would have come down even sooner (although perhaps not under his watch).  I think this fallacy ignoring the whole process occurs for a lot of reasons, but I also think the main one for Nixon being ignored is how he left office so shamefully- conservatives that tout Reagan as the champion of Cold War warming don&#039;t want to associate the progress and ultimate success of overall U.S. foreign policy with such a &quot;failure&quot; of a leader.  The Vietnam War ended under HIS watch, but does anyone say he &quot;won&quot; it? No, of course not.  But the Cold War *did* in fact end &quot;with a whimper,&quot; which in itself implies something more than just one president doing all of the work.

Tangent: Asserting something is one president&#039;s victory OR defeat is not always accurate.  The Great Depression was NOT just Hoover&#039;s fault, and F.D.R. didn&#039;t single-handedly end it.  The current economic crisis is/was NOT just G.W. Bush&#039;s fault, nor are our occupations in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Etc.  There are Congress and the Supreme Court to keep in mind, as well as the long-term effects of said factors and yes, the policies of past White Houses.  We like scapegoats and figureheads, though, so it happens a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wick, I know this will sound nit-picky, but stating that &#8220;Ronald Raegan&#8230; defeated Soviet Socialism&#8221; completely disregards, among other things, the fact that Nixon himself helped get the ball rolling with the U.S.S.R.  The Cold War ended under Reagan&#8217;s watch, yes, but he does not deserve sole credit, for it ended after a long diplomatic process that began arguably as far back as Kennedy (his attempts to reach out to Khrushchev were often criticized, for example).  Then Nixon kicked the door wide open with detente (and the SALT treaties with China helped, too); and if he had not resigned, perhaps things would have turned out differently and the Berlin Wall would have come down even sooner (although perhaps not under his watch).  I think this fallacy ignoring the whole process occurs for a lot of reasons, but I also think the main one for Nixon being ignored is how he left office so shamefully- conservatives that tout Reagan as the champion of Cold War warming don&#8217;t want to associate the progress and ultimate success of overall U.S. foreign policy with such a &#8220;failure&#8221; of a leader.  The Vietnam War ended under HIS watch, but does anyone say he &#8220;won&#8221; it? No, of course not.  But the Cold War *did* in fact end &#8220;with a whimper,&#8221; which in itself implies something more than just one president doing all of the work.</p>
<p>Tangent: Asserting something is one president&#8217;s victory OR defeat is not always accurate.  The Great Depression was NOT just Hoover&#8217;s fault, and F.D.R. didn&#8217;t single-handedly end it.  The current economic crisis is/was NOT just G.W. Bush&#8217;s fault, nor are our occupations in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Etc.  There are Congress and the Supreme Court to keep in mind, as well as the long-term effects of said factors and yes, the policies of past White Houses.  We like scapegoats and figureheads, though, so it happens a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Wick</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/07/the-political-message-of-watchmen/#comment-7205</link>
		<dc:creator>Wick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watchmen’s left wing existentialism posits that America required a band of amoral superheroes to stand up to the Soviet Union. The flaws of the Watchmen, some of whom are prone to war crimes, suggests a moral equivalence between the US and the USSR. In short, flawed superhero exceptionalism stands in for authentic American exceptionalism.

Funny how history played differently: Ronald Reagan (aided by Maggie Thatcher, Lech Walesa and John Paul II) defeated Soviet Socialism with nary a ripple in the space-time continuum. Guess that makes them real life Watchmen, sans the moral tarnish. Of course, Watchmen author Alan Moore no doubt believes that the leaders of the Western World were and are covered in moral tarnish, a view never more in vogue than during the Reagan years when Moore wrote Watchmen. To amplify that notion he places the proto-fascist Richard Nixon as the ongoing US President. However, the fact that the Cold War ended with a whimper and not a nuclear holocaust is an inconvenient truth that damages the story’s thesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watchmen’s left wing existentialism posits that America required a band of amoral superheroes to stand up to the Soviet Union. The flaws of the Watchmen, some of whom are prone to war crimes, suggests a moral equivalence between the US and the USSR. In short, flawed superhero exceptionalism stands in for authentic American exceptionalism.</p>
<p>Funny how history played differently: Ronald Reagan (aided by Maggie Thatcher, Lech Walesa and John Paul II) defeated Soviet Socialism with nary a ripple in the space-time continuum. Guess that makes them real life Watchmen, sans the moral tarnish. Of course, Watchmen author Alan Moore no doubt believes that the leaders of the Western World were and are covered in moral tarnish, a view never more in vogue than during the Reagan years when Moore wrote Watchmen. To amplify that notion he places the proto-fascist Richard Nixon as the ongoing US President. However, the fact that the Cold War ended with a whimper and not a nuclear holocaust is an inconvenient truth that damages the story’s thesis.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm...</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/03/07/the-political-message-of-watchmen/#comment-7159</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are all really good ideas, so I figured I throw one more in there.  I&#039;ll confess that I&#039;ve only seen the movie, but it made me think, which I like, so it&#039;s worth a post.

One of the major themes I took away from this story was spelled out in the scrawlings on the walls: &quot;Who&#039;s Watching the Watchmen&quot;.  The trouble with govornments and such organizations is that the people on top, who are trying to solve the problems generally associated with the human race are, in fact, members of the human race.  They are part of the problem. Rorschach punishes injustice without compromise, and yet he lights a cop on fire to escape arrest; hurting one who keeps the law for his own ends.  He makes a compromise.  Dr. Manhattan slaves away night and day to save a race he has lost interest in, it has become a concept, a puzzle for him, and finally he realizes the absurdity of saving a race he has learned to despise, and leaves...for a while.  Ozymandias loses his humanity to save the human race, effectively detaching himself from the prize of his labor, and to follow his pragmatic ideologies to the bitter will only lead to the utter removal of mankind from the face of the earth (as complexity removes comfort and man is, by his very nature, complex).  The Comedian...well, the Comedian speaks for himself, &quot;It&#039;s all a big fucking joke&quot;.  He sees the fundamental absurdity in the actions of the other watchmen, but chooses to stand with them because, frankly, it&#039;s more interesting than investment banking.  He&#039;s more of a hedonist than I nihilist.  He knows that none of this will last, so he lives as hard as he can and shoots any pregnant Vietnamese women who get in his way.  As for Nite Owl and Silk Spectre, I agree with moralcode.  When they find they cannot possibly win against Ozy and Dr. Manhattan, they turn to each other and make the best out of life, while ignoring the plight of the outside world (while at the same time becomeing part of it).

As unpopular as this may sound in the budding &#039;yes we can&#039; era, Watchmen was, in my eyes, a testament to the failures of secular humanism.  Eventually it all fades to an amoral slush, as compromises cloud the bright vision of the self-made man and perfection is only achived by the lowering of standards.  The Watchmen no longer look upward for their moral code, but outward, to the swarming masses, trying to find a solution in the chaos.  In the end, the only major players choose one of two paths, that of the destroyer (as in the case of Ozy), or the deserter (As with Dr. Manhattan).  All else will face only frustration at the sheer magnitude of their task (as Rorschach has to kill every bad guy on the planet one by one) or the uselessness of their mercy in the face of monstrosity (as Nite Owl desperately tells a crowd of protesters there is not need for violence while The Comedian hammers them with a riot shotgun).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are all really good ideas, so I figured I throw one more in there.  I&#8217;ll confess that I&#8217;ve only seen the movie, but it made me think, which I like, so it&#8217;s worth a post.</p>
<p>One of the major themes I took away from this story was spelled out in the scrawlings on the walls: &#8220;Who&#8217;s Watching the Watchmen&#8221;.  The trouble with govornments and such organizations is that the people on top, who are trying to solve the problems generally associated with the human race are, in fact, members of the human race.  They are part of the problem. Rorschach punishes injustice without compromise, and yet he lights a cop on fire to escape arrest; hurting one who keeps the law for his own ends.  He makes a compromise.  Dr. Manhattan slaves away night and day to save a race he has lost interest in, it has become a concept, a puzzle for him, and finally he realizes the absurdity of saving a race he has learned to despise, and leaves&#8230;for a while.  Ozymandias loses his humanity to save the human race, effectively detaching himself from the prize of his labor, and to follow his pragmatic ideologies to the bitter will only lead to the utter removal of mankind from the face of the earth (as complexity removes comfort and man is, by his very nature, complex).  The Comedian&#8230;well, the Comedian speaks for himself, &#8220;It&#8217;s all a big fucking joke&#8221;.  He sees the fundamental absurdity in the actions of the other watchmen, but chooses to stand with them because, frankly, it&#8217;s more interesting than investment banking.  He&#8217;s more of a hedonist than I nihilist.  He knows that none of this will last, so he lives as hard as he can and shoots any pregnant Vietnamese women who get in his way.  As for Nite Owl and Silk Spectre, I agree with moralcode.  When they find they cannot possibly win against Ozy and Dr. Manhattan, they turn to each other and make the best out of life, while ignoring the plight of the outside world (while at the same time becomeing part of it).</p>
<p>As unpopular as this may sound in the budding &#8216;yes we can&#8217; era, Watchmen was, in my eyes, a testament to the failures of secular humanism.  Eventually it all fades to an amoral slush, as compromises cloud the bright vision of the self-made man and perfection is only achived by the lowering of standards.  The Watchmen no longer look upward for their moral code, but outward, to the swarming masses, trying to find a solution in the chaos.  In the end, the only major players choose one of two paths, that of the destroyer (as in the case of Ozy), or the deserter (As with Dr. Manhattan).  All else will face only frustration at the sheer magnitude of their task (as Rorschach has to kill every bad guy on the planet one by one) or the uselessness of their mercy in the face of monstrosity (as Nite Owl desperately tells a crowd of protesters there is not need for violence while The Comedian hammers them with a riot shotgun).</p>
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		<title>By: moralcode</title>
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		<dc:creator>moralcode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me the story addresses both human perspective on life and the political/idealogical aspect as well. Each character is driven by a perspective. The Comedian seems cynical at best but also as a realist in that he believes the world is what it is and you make the best of it according to your own beliefs and morals or lack thereof. Dr. Manhatten is disassociated from the human condition relying on science to give the answers to life&#039;s problems. For him it&#039;s not about emotions its about solutions and their logic. Ozymandias represents the intellectuals who feel that no one can be trusted to overcome the world&#039;s problems and that it is the responsibillity of those elites to care for mankind as if they were children to save them from themselves. The characters of Nite Owl 2 and Silk Spectre 2 represent the everyday ordinary people trying to live their lives the best they can by doing what they can and accepting whatever outcome occurs. Rorschach is driven by a set of moral values and is unwilling to compromise those values under any circumstance. He is convinced that society is worth saving but that justice must be swift and final.

   The story is about a clash between values and ideals and which solution should be universally accepted as the means to achieving peace at any cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the story addresses both human perspective on life and the political/idealogical aspect as well. Each character is driven by a perspective. The Comedian seems cynical at best but also as a realist in that he believes the world is what it is and you make the best of it according to your own beliefs and morals or lack thereof. Dr. Manhatten is disassociated from the human condition relying on science to give the answers to life&#8217;s problems. For him it&#8217;s not about emotions its about solutions and their logic. Ozymandias represents the intellectuals who feel that no one can be trusted to overcome the world&#8217;s problems and that it is the responsibillity of those elites to care for mankind as if they were children to save them from themselves. The characters of Nite Owl 2 and Silk Spectre 2 represent the everyday ordinary people trying to live their lives the best they can by doing what they can and accepting whatever outcome occurs. Rorschach is driven by a set of moral values and is unwilling to compromise those values under any circumstance. He is convinced that society is worth saving but that justice must be swift and final.</p>
<p>   The story is about a clash between values and ideals and which solution should be universally accepted as the means to achieving peace at any cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Gab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir LoinALot: Very well-said.  When and if you see the movie, you&#039;ll see how what you bring up, the need for the enemy to be an Other, is dealt with.  I, for one, being a politics major, was and am quite interested in the role of the state and government, as well as legitimacy and (abuse/ lack of) power.  Even the legitimacy of Nixon as president is highly in question (not just because we know he avoided Watergate, but because of the heavy insinuations about his involvement in Kennedy&#039;s assassination).  I could write a LOT, but I&#039;ll just leave it there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir LoinALot: Very well-said.  When and if you see the movie, you&#8217;ll see how what you bring up, the need for the enemy to be an Other, is dealt with.  I, for one, being a politics major, was and am quite interested in the role of the state and government, as well as legitimacy and (abuse/ lack of) power.  Even the legitimacy of Nixon as president is highly in question (not just because we know he avoided Watergate, but because of the heavy insinuations about his involvement in Kennedy&#8217;s assassination).  I could write a LOT, but I&#8217;ll just leave it there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sir LoinALot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sir LoinALot</dc:creator>
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		<description>The part of the book that always seemed most open to analysis to me was Veidt&#039;s monologue where he explains his reasoning in destroying half of New York (this part is also why, if rumors of the changed ending in the movie are true, it can&#039;t live up to the book in terms of thematic importance).  Basically, Veidt creates the illusion that an alien being has materialized in the middle of New York City and subsequently destroyed/killed everything in the immediate area.  What seems vital in this isn&#039;t the destruction itself; the same effect could be had by simulating a nuclear blast.  Rather, Veidt realizes that in order to end mankind&#039;s self-destructive drive towards utter nihilism that is embodied in the image of the Bomb and the cold war (and which is realized in full only by the Comedian), he needs to introduce an alterity, or a world-shattering experience of an Other.

The book seems to suggest that the struggles of mankind, which have reached an unprecedented potential for destruction, are premised on a fundamental need to divide the world between Us and Them.  This is, of course, a very well documented notion in political philosophy, especially in Carl Schmitt&#039;s writings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Concept_of_the_Political).  Essentially, it seems that people can only identify themselves as part of an &quot;Us&quot; (whether that is a state, country, race, gender, class, etc.) in reference to another &quot;Them,&quot; which is by its very nature a class of people who are not-&quot;Us&quot;.  Thus the US is held together in the cold war by its opposition to the enemy, that is, the Soviet Union.  True reconciliation of this conflict and all other conflicts are impossible, because truly forming an all-inclusive common humanity is impossible insofar as it contradicts the possibility of a &quot;Them&quot; group that could relate to it. 

Adrien Veidt, the smartest man in the world, sees this clearly, and he realizes he needs a Gordian Knot, a solution that cuts through this seemingly impossibly tangled problem.  He does this, of course, with the giant squid-alien that he teleports into the middle of the city. Suddenly, mankind is not the only being in the universe; we have evidence of alien life apart from our own.  Moreover, this alien is responsible for millions of death, making it an easy and obvious enemy for all of humanity.  We can find a uniting commonality in the newest &quot;Us&quot;/&quot;Them&quot; dichotomoy: humanity versus the aliens.  Thus, humanity is saved.

Or at least, that&#039;s my take on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The part of the book that always seemed most open to analysis to me was Veidt&#8217;s monologue where he explains his reasoning in destroying half of New York (this part is also why, if rumors of the changed ending in the movie are true, it can&#8217;t live up to the book in terms of thematic importance).  Basically, Veidt creates the illusion that an alien being has materialized in the middle of New York City and subsequently destroyed/killed everything in the immediate area.  What seems vital in this isn&#8217;t the destruction itself; the same effect could be had by simulating a nuclear blast.  Rather, Veidt realizes that in order to end mankind&#8217;s self-destructive drive towards utter nihilism that is embodied in the image of the Bomb and the cold war (and which is realized in full only by the Comedian), he needs to introduce an alterity, or a world-shattering experience of an Other.</p>
<p>The book seems to suggest that the struggles of mankind, which have reached an unprecedented potential for destruction, are premised on a fundamental need to divide the world between Us and Them.  This is, of course, a very well documented notion in political philosophy, especially in Carl Schmitt&#8217;s writings (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Concept_of_the_Political" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Concept_of_the_Political</a>).  Essentially, it seems that people can only identify themselves as part of an &#8220;Us&#8221; (whether that is a state, country, race, gender, class, etc.) in reference to another &#8220;Them,&#8221; which is by its very nature a class of people who are not-&#8221;Us&#8221;.  Thus the US is held together in the cold war by its opposition to the enemy, that is, the Soviet Union.  True reconciliation of this conflict and all other conflicts are impossible, because truly forming an all-inclusive common humanity is impossible insofar as it contradicts the possibility of a &#8220;Them&#8221; group that could relate to it. </p>
<p>Adrien Veidt, the smartest man in the world, sees this clearly, and he realizes he needs a Gordian Knot, a solution that cuts through this seemingly impossibly tangled problem.  He does this, of course, with the giant squid-alien that he teleports into the middle of the city. Suddenly, mankind is not the only being in the universe; we have evidence of alien life apart from our own.  Moreover, this alien is responsible for millions of death, making it an easy and obvious enemy for all of humanity.  We can find a uniting commonality in the newest &#8220;Us&#8221;/&#8221;Them&#8221; dichotomoy: humanity versus the aliens.  Thus, humanity is saved.</p>
<p>Or at least, that&#8217;s my take on it.</p>
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