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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/23/dollhouse-freaking-doomed/#comment-9110</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 11:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! eat *this* doubters: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/05/dollhouse-second-season.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fox RENEWS &#039;Dollhouse&#039;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! eat *this* doubters: <a href="http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/05/dollhouse-second-season.html" rel="nofollow">Fox RENEWS &#8216;Dollhouse&#8217;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anila</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/23/dollhouse-freaking-doomed/#comment-7453</link>
		<dc:creator>Anila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You Suck!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: stokes</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/23/dollhouse-freaking-doomed/#comment-6825</link>
		<dc:creator>stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 06:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sabriel - 

I agree that he&#039;s probably going for a feminist statement.  Even if the show were to get cancelled before Dushku starts taking a more active role, isn&#039;t it pretty clear where the moral lines are drawn?  The creepiness that Gab referred to strikes me as very much the point of the show. I suppose it would be &lt;em&gt;possible&lt;/em&gt; to watch Dollhouse and just think &quot;Oh man, that technology would be so AWESOME!&quot; But it would be difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sabriel &#8211; </p>
<p>I agree that he&#8217;s probably going for a feminist statement.  Even if the show were to get cancelled before Dushku starts taking a more active role, isn&#8217;t it pretty clear where the moral lines are drawn?  The creepiness that Gab referred to strikes me as very much the point of the show. I suppose it would be <em>possible</em> to watch Dollhouse and just think &#8220;Oh man, that technology would be so AWESOME!&#8221; But it would be difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Gab</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/23/dollhouse-freaking-doomed/#comment-6776</link>
		<dc:creator>Gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The River of Death is such a great idea.  My favorite scenes usually took place there.  And I agree whole-heartedly about Lirael.  You read _Across the Wall_ too, right?  For some reason, I have only come across bells doing necrotic magic in the _Abhorsen_ series, but maybe I just don&#039;t get out enough.  

I sort of stole the &quot;backlash&quot; bit for her implement, too- it&#039;s the skull of her &quot;dead&quot; master with his soul preserved in it, but he gets angry at her sometimes (giving a minus to my dice rolls) and her spells don&#039;t always work (or, conversely, he may give a random boost of encouragement in the form of an extra damage die or spell that turn).  Only after telling the rest of my group did the similarities between my character and _Mystery Men_ occur to me (because they brought it up)- but I suppose it may have been a subconscious thing.

Sorry, OTI owners, I have totally commandeered the comments here with my enthusiasm for those books and my D&amp;D campaign...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The River of Death is such a great idea.  My favorite scenes usually took place there.  And I agree whole-heartedly about Lirael.  You read _Across the Wall_ too, right?  For some reason, I have only come across bells doing necrotic magic in the _Abhorsen_ series, but maybe I just don&#8217;t get out enough.  </p>
<p>I sort of stole the &#8220;backlash&#8221; bit for her implement, too- it&#8217;s the skull of her &#8220;dead&#8221; master with his soul preserved in it, but he gets angry at her sometimes (giving a minus to my dice rolls) and her spells don&#8217;t always work (or, conversely, he may give a random boost of encouragement in the form of an extra damage die or spell that turn).  Only after telling the rest of my group did the similarities between my character and _Mystery Men_ occur to me (because they brought it up)- but I suppose it may have been a subconscious thing.</p>
<p>Sorry, OTI owners, I have totally commandeered the comments here with my enthusiasm for those books and my D&amp;D campaign&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sabriel</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/23/dollhouse-freaking-doomed/#comment-6772</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the first book. The second book was probably the worst; Lirael is too mopey for me, and she took too long to leave the Clayr. However, I liked the third book, mostly because the third book is where you learn about how the wall was created and I&#039;m a sucker for world-creation. 

The thing I like best about the series is probably the way death and necromancy work. All of the scenes where an Abhorsen goes into the river death are amazing, and the use of bells (who have their own personalities and are capable of creating backlash against the user) as necromantic tools is a nice touch. 

I have played both a prefab Call of Cthulu game and a prefab Deadlands game that involved church bells raising the dead. It&#039;s a fairly common idea, but a cool one. 

The fact that you made a DnD character based on the concept of an Abhorsen is just awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the first book. The second book was probably the worst; Lirael is too mopey for me, and she took too long to leave the Clayr. However, I liked the third book, mostly because the third book is where you learn about how the wall was created and I&#8217;m a sucker for world-creation. </p>
<p>The thing I like best about the series is probably the way death and necromancy work. All of the scenes where an Abhorsen goes into the river death are amazing, and the use of bells (who have their own personalities and are capable of creating backlash against the user) as necromantic tools is a nice touch. </p>
<p>I have played both a prefab Call of Cthulu game and a prefab Deadlands game that involved church bells raising the dead. It&#8217;s a fairly common idea, but a cool one. </p>
<p>The fact that you made a DnD character based on the concept of an Abhorsen is just awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Gab</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/23/dollhouse-freaking-doomed/#comment-6760</link>
		<dc:creator>Gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John- Thanks for the elaboration.  But let&#039;s not limit ourselves to just D&amp;D- I think any social get-together could have a Memorable Quotes board, especially when you&#039;re sitting around and &quot;chilling&quot; with people in a living room.  Really, any environment where there is discussion involved- listen to the podcasts from this site, oh my GOODNESS...  But hey, I play weekly D&amp;D, too, so I totally know what you&#039;re talking about with regards to that particular environment being conducive for one-liners and the like.  Are you 4th Ed?

Which relates to... 

@Sabriel- I love the first book, but I must say...  The other two I found rather lacking, especially since she was barely in them- they thus lacked her (and therefore, by degrees, your?) awesomeness, and the other characters weren&#039;t quite as compelling to me so quickly as she had been.  But I have a DnD character based on the concept of an Abhorsen (i.e. a necromancer that does good things), and she&#039;s pretty rockin&#039;, herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John- Thanks for the elaboration.  But let&#8217;s not limit ourselves to just D&amp;D- I think any social get-together could have a Memorable Quotes board, especially when you&#8217;re sitting around and &#8220;chilling&#8221; with people in a living room.  Really, any environment where there is discussion involved- listen to the podcasts from this site, oh my GOODNESS&#8230;  But hey, I play weekly D&amp;D, too, so I totally know what you&#8217;re talking about with regards to that particular environment being conducive for one-liners and the like.  Are you 4th Ed?</p>
<p>Which relates to&#8230; </p>
<p>@Sabriel- I love the first book, but I must say&#8230;  The other two I found rather lacking, especially since she was barely in them- they thus lacked her (and therefore, by degrees, your?) awesomeness, and the other characters weren&#8217;t quite as compelling to me so quickly as she had been.  But I have a DnD character based on the concept of an Abhorsen (i.e. a necromancer that does good things), and she&#8217;s pretty rockin&#8217;, herself.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabriel</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/23/dollhouse-freaking-doomed/#comment-6750</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gab: Yep! I took Sabriel as a pseudonym because of the Garth Nix books. What can I say? She&#039;s awesome, and so am I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gab: Yep! I took Sabriel as a pseudonym because of the Garth Nix books. What can I say? She&#8217;s awesome, and so am I.</p>
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		<title>By: John P</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/23/dollhouse-freaking-doomed/#comment-6739</link>
		<dc:creator>John P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gab - I have never found Whedon&#039;s notion of &quot;heartwarming banter&quot; to either warm my heart or entertain me.  It sounds like the Memorable Quotes page from a weekly D&amp;D game.  And while I think the guys I roll dice with on a weekly basis are hilarious, I wouldn&#039;t stake a franchise on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gab &#8211; I have never found Whedon&#8217;s notion of &#8220;heartwarming banter&#8221; to either warm my heart or entertain me.  It sounds like the Memorable Quotes page from a weekly D&amp;D game.  And while I think the guys I roll dice with on a weekly basis are hilarious, I wouldn&#8217;t stake a franchise on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Foxdie</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/23/dollhouse-freaking-doomed/#comment-6732</link>
		<dc:creator>Foxdie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... have you not been watching the show and are just going on a summary you read?

Both episodes have so far hinted at a much larger story than &quot;Dushku of the week&quot; and in fact, we&#039;ve already gotten bits of that &quot;banter&quot; and relationships between characters - in fact, that this is apparent DESPITE the assumption otherwise is a major plot point that I can already see coming up 2 episodes in.

Hopefully Whedon managed to squeeze in enough sex appeal and awesome explosions so Fox doesn&#039;t pull the plug too soon, and we&#039;ll see where this goes. I doubt Echo is a good little Doll for long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; have you not been watching the show and are just going on a summary you read?</p>
<p>Both episodes have so far hinted at a much larger story than &#8220;Dushku of the week&#8221; and in fact, we&#8217;ve already gotten bits of that &#8220;banter&#8221; and relationships between characters &#8211; in fact, that this is apparent DESPITE the assumption otherwise is a major plot point that I can already see coming up 2 episodes in.</p>
<p>Hopefully Whedon managed to squeeze in enough sex appeal and awesome explosions so Fox doesn&#8217;t pull the plug too soon, and we&#8217;ll see where this goes. I doubt Echo is a good little Doll for long.</p>
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		<title>By: dLo</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/23/dollhouse-freaking-doomed/#comment-6731</link>
		<dc:creator>dLo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure I already signed the petition to save the show last year. :-)

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/05/dollhouse-fans.html

My random thoughts that do not contribute to this conversation:
- Tahmoh Penikett&#039;s character is like Agent Mulder, but much more annoyingly stubborn and less intelligent.
-Echo&#039;s role-per-week thing reminds me of Agent Bristow on Alias...and that sort of had its appeal, right?
-I hate Topher. But I guess it was either the route of the smartass annoying young kid or the stuck up scientist with a British accent who freaks out if you touch any of his stuff.
-Alpha seems like a Gollum meets Sylar thing.  Either way, what nightmares are made of. Couldn&#039;t he at least have worn some pants in what I thought was his scene?  Hairy.
-If I had ever seen Dark Angel, I&#039;d probably want Dollhouse to turn into that.

I&#039;m done dropping names and characters of other shows now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure I already signed the petition to save the show last year. :-)</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/05/dollhouse-fans.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/05/dollhouse-fans.html</a></p>
<p>My random thoughts that do not contribute to this conversation:<br />
- Tahmoh Penikett&#8217;s character is like Agent Mulder, but much more annoyingly stubborn and less intelligent.<br />
-Echo&#8217;s role-per-week thing reminds me of Agent Bristow on Alias&#8230;and that sort of had its appeal, right?<br />
-I hate Topher. But I guess it was either the route of the smartass annoying young kid or the stuck up scientist with a British accent who freaks out if you touch any of his stuff.<br />
-Alpha seems like a Gollum meets Sylar thing.  Either way, what nightmares are made of. Couldn&#8217;t he at least have worn some pants in what I thought was his scene?  Hairy.<br />
-If I had ever seen Dark Angel, I&#8217;d probably want Dollhouse to turn into that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m done dropping names and characters of other shows now.</p>
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