Comments on: NY Comic-Con, Day 2: Who Watches the Watchmen? We Watch the Watchmen. http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/08/ny-comic-con-day-2-who-watches-the-watchmen-we-watch-the-watchmen/ Overthinking It subjects the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn't deserve. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:05:13 +0000 hourly 1 By: Carsten http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/08/ny-comic-con-day-2-who-watches-the-watchmen-we-watch-the-watchmen/#comment-6196 Carsten Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:26:18 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=5279#comment-6196 Oh yes. I love being the naysayer for the films that are "events" and the vanguard for the films that shouldn't warrant a second glance. For instance, I loved Speed Racer. I thought it was fantastic. I am one of five people on the planet with that opinion. Haha. Oh yes. I love being the naysayer for the films that are “events” and the vanguard for the films that shouldn’t warrant a second glance.

For instance, I loved Speed Racer. I thought it was fantastic. I am one of five people on the planet with that opinion. Haha.

]]> By: Matthew Belinkie http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/08/ny-comic-con-day-2-who-watches-the-watchmen-we-watch-the-watchmen/#comment-6195 Matthew Belinkie Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:46:08 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=5279#comment-6195 @Carsten - I'm a 300 fan. I thought it was pure yummy candy when I saw it on the big screen in a packed house. BUT... each time I see part of it on TV, I like it a little less. It's ravishing, but there's not much under the surface. And yes, I'm 100% with you that everything they added was a pointless waste of time. I know they had to add something to make the story longer, but all the did was spin their wheels, and give the dude from The Wire some work. And I share your skepticism about Watchmen. Here's my issue with it: it looks too damn comic-booky. Watchmen is supposed to be a gritty, realistic take on superheroes. From what I've seen, Snyder's vision is gorgeous, but completely artificial. Unlike you, I'll watch it and probably like it. But maybe there's such a thing as being TOO faithful to your source material. Chris Nolan's Gotham City felt like a real place. Snyder's New York City looks like a series of wonderful 3-D matte paintings come to life. Anyway, I sense you're a little like me, in that you're predisposed to be skeptical about the things you're "supposed" to love. (I'm anti-Slumdog.) @Carsten – I’m a 300 fan. I thought it was pure yummy candy when I saw it on the big screen in a packed house. BUT… each time I see part of it on TV, I like it a little less. It’s ravishing, but there’s not much under the surface. And yes, I’m 100% with you that everything they added was a pointless waste of time. I know they had to add something to make the story longer, but all the did was spin their wheels, and give the dude from The Wire some work.

And I share your skepticism about Watchmen. Here’s my issue with it: it looks too damn comic-booky. Watchmen is supposed to be a gritty, realistic take on superheroes. From what I’ve seen, Snyder’s vision is gorgeous, but completely artificial. Unlike you, I’ll watch it and probably like it. But maybe there’s such a thing as being TOO faithful to your source material. Chris Nolan’s Gotham City felt like a real place. Snyder’s New York City looks like a series of wonderful 3-D matte paintings come to life.

Anyway, I sense you’re a little like me, in that you’re predisposed to be skeptical about the things you’re “supposed” to love. (I’m anti-Slumdog.)

]]> By: Carsten http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/08/ny-comic-con-day-2-who-watches-the-watchmen-we-watch-the-watchmen/#comment-6184 Carsten Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:27:54 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=5279#comment-6184 Also, in an effort *not* to seem like an unyielding dissenter, I'm trying to bracket the most bald opinions with the pronoun "I". That way there's no confusion about whether this is opinion or not. Also, in an effort *not* to seem like an unyielding dissenter, I’m trying to bracket the most bald opinions with the pronoun “I”. That way there’s no confusion about whether this is opinion or not.

]]> By: Carsten http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/08/ny-comic-con-day-2-who-watches-the-watchmen-we-watch-the-watchmen/#comment-6182 Carsten Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:18:18 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=5279#comment-6182 Gab, no worries. I'm between classes as of this exact moment, but I'd love to elaborate about my distaste for all things Z. Snyder. I'll be quick, though, and leave a quick synopsis. Maybe you and I could carry on the discussion elsewhere? -I find Snyder's "style" very jarring, and I'm often broken of the "fictional dream," as it were. -In regards to 300, everything the narrative could have expressed was expressed more vividly to me through the comic, and I felt the Queen sub-plot did very little for the story's arc. Also, it seemed clear Snyder's "visionary" direction was lacking when he had no artists' renditions to plagiarize visually. -In regards to Watchmen: I have no maternal instinct of protection over the work. I'm not concerned with keeping it a sort of quasi-cult monolith, and I couldn't care less if the general public latched on to the film or not. My problem is that I know the visual style will be similar to 300, and thus I am well aware I'm going to be pulled out of the movie more often than necessary. It's not going to be an enjoyable experience for me regardless--not because it's Watchmen so much as it is Zack Snyder doing Watchmen. -- Like I said, I could go on, but it behooves me to scamper to class. Gab, no worries.

I’m between classes as of this exact moment, but I’d love to elaborate about my distaste for all things Z. Snyder.

I’ll be quick, though, and leave a quick synopsis. Maybe you and I could carry on the discussion elsewhere?

-I find Snyder’s “style” very jarring, and I’m often broken of the “fictional dream,” as it were.

-In regards to 300, everything the narrative could have expressed was expressed more vividly to me through the comic, and I felt the Queen sub-plot did very little for the story’s arc. Also, it seemed clear Snyder’s “visionary” direction was lacking when he had no artists’ renditions to plagiarize visually.

-In regards to Watchmen: I have no maternal instinct of protection over the work. I’m not concerned with keeping it a sort of quasi-cult monolith, and I couldn’t care less if the general public latched on to the film or not. My problem is that I know the visual style will be similar to 300, and thus I am well aware I’m going to be pulled out of the movie more often than necessary. It’s not going to be an enjoyable experience for me regardless–not because it’s Watchmen so much as it is Zack Snyder doing Watchmen.

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Like I said, I could go on, but it behooves me to scamper to class.

]]> By: Gab http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/08/ny-comic-con-day-2-who-watches-the-watchmen-we-watch-the-watchmen/#comment-6181 Gab Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:21:08 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=5279#comment-6181 Yeah, I guess that was rather rude of me. Sorry about that. I suppose I just don't see the value in anyone, fan of the original graphic novel or not, automatically disregarding this movie because "300" was a disappointment. It's perfectly fine to be skeptical- I admitted that I am. And I don't think this is a fanboy site, either- that's why I suggested an explanation as to why "300" was bad. I enjoy hearing differentiating opinions, and I wouldn't try to stifle debate, so I apologize that I came across differently. Perhaps my wording was too hostile and my attempts at humor failed- that's one of the drawbacks of internet communication, it's lack of tone, volume, delivery, etc. Anyway, mea culpa, and I'll keep it shut for a while. Yeah, I guess that was rather rude of me. Sorry about that. I suppose I just don’t see the value in anyone, fan of the original graphic novel or not, automatically disregarding this movie because “300″ was a disappointment. It’s perfectly fine to be skeptical- I admitted that I am. And I don’t think this is a fanboy site, either- that’s why I suggested an explanation as to why “300″ was bad. I enjoy hearing differentiating opinions, and I wouldn’t try to stifle debate, so I apologize that I came across differently. Perhaps my wording was too hostile and my attempts at humor failed- that’s one of the drawbacks of internet communication, it’s lack of tone, volume, delivery, etc. Anyway, mea culpa, and I’ll keep it shut for a while.

]]> By: Matthew Wrather http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/08/ny-comic-con-day-2-who-watches-the-watchmen-we-watch-the-watchmen/#comment-6167 Matthew Wrather Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:21:02 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=5279#comment-6167 And get the troll plank out of your eye before complaining about the troll speck in your neighbor's. And get the troll plank out of your eye before complaining about the troll speck in your neighbor’s.

]]> By: Matthew Belinkie http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/08/ny-comic-con-day-2-who-watches-the-watchmen-we-watch-the-watchmen/#comment-6155 Matthew Belinkie Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:25:28 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=5279#comment-6155 Whoa Gab, easy there. Carsten's allowed to dislike Zach Snyder. And since when is Overthinking It a fanboy site where all we do is talk about how awesome stuff is going to be and don't tolerate those who are skeptical? That being said: Carsten, what specifically drove you crazy about 300? Whoa Gab, easy there. Carsten’s allowed to dislike Zach Snyder. And since when is Overthinking It a fanboy site where all we do is talk about how awesome stuff is going to be and don’t tolerate those who are skeptical?

That being said: Carsten, what specifically drove you crazy about 300?

]]> By: Gab http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/08/ny-comic-con-day-2-who-watches-the-watchmen-we-watch-the-watchmen/#comment-6152 Gab Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:12:27 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=5279#comment-6152 Then don't bitch about it on a site anticipating it with enthusiasm, even if there's a grain of salt or even some trepidation involved- it makes you sound like a troll. Or at least say *why* you'll be in tears, i.e. establish yourself as a devoted fanboy that feels "300" was ruined for them because of X,Y,Z instead of a hater of all things Zack Snyder alone with a predisposition to do none but loathe the "Watchmen" movie as such. It kind of kills the high for the rest of us- and if you're a fanboy, you'd want people to enjoy it *somehow*, right? I'm pretty anxious about what will be negatively changed/presented, too, but I still wish to go in without a determination to automatically hate it- I really don't see how refusing to give the movie a chance at all before it's even in theaters would help me further enjoy something I've been a fan of for over a decade; and I like the idea of more people getting involved, even if it's somewhat hipster of them. They're the cute ickle n00bs wif der ickle wittle limited understandings of the nuances of the cultural, sociological, political, etc., impact and commentary that is "Watchmen." Yeah? Yay-uh. Then don’t bitch about it on a site anticipating it with enthusiasm, even if there’s a grain of salt or even some trepidation involved- it makes you sound like a troll. Or at least say *why* you’ll be in tears, i.e. establish yourself as a devoted fanboy that feels “300″ was ruined for them because of X,Y,Z instead of a hater of all things Zack Snyder alone with a predisposition to do none but loathe the “Watchmen” movie as such. It kind of kills the high for the rest of us- and if you’re a fanboy, you’d want people to enjoy it *somehow*, right? I’m pretty anxious about what will be negatively changed/presented, too, but I still wish to go in without a determination to automatically hate it- I really don’t see how refusing to give the movie a chance at all before it’s even in theaters would help me further enjoy something I’ve been a fan of for over a decade; and I like the idea of more people getting involved, even if it’s somewhat hipster of them. They’re the cute ickle n00bs wif der ickle wittle limited understandings of the nuances of the cultural, sociological, political, etc., impact and commentary that is “Watchmen.” Yeah? Yay-uh.

]]> By: Carsten http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/08/ny-comic-con-day-2-who-watches-the-watchmen-we-watch-the-watchmen/#comment-6131 Carsten Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:49:01 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=5279#comment-6131 I can't *not* see it. I'm a man-enough fanboy to take the punishment head on. Haha. I can’t *not* see it. I’m a man-enough fanboy to take the punishment head on. Haha.

]]> By: Gab http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/02/08/ny-comic-con-day-2-who-watches-the-watchmen-we-watch-the-watchmen/#comment-6130 Gab Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:39:17 +0000 http://www.overthinkingit.com/?p=5279#comment-6130 Then don't go see it, Carston. Duh? Then don’t go see it, Carston. Duh?

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