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	<title>Comments on: The Paradox of Marty&#8217;s Headless Brother [BTTF Week]</title>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/01/12/the-paradox-of-martys-headless-brother/#comment-5872</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So in BTTF II Doc explains to Marty that they can&#039;t simply take the Delorean back to the future and stop Bif from traveling back and handing himself the sports almanac because they would only be arriving at the alternate future with babes, booz, and gambling that Bif has now created (much like Pottersville from It&#039;s a Wonderful Life).  Hmmmmmmmm? Then shouldn&#039;t Bif have experienced the same thing after altering the future like that?  He arrives at the new future and they are stuck in the old one never to time travel again.  Only he didn&#039;t.  He arrived back in good old 2015 allowing them to pop in the car and go back again.  Something is wrong here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So in BTTF II Doc explains to Marty that they can&#8217;t simply take the Delorean back to the future and stop Bif from traveling back and handing himself the sports almanac because they would only be arriving at the alternate future with babes, booz, and gambling that Bif has now created (much like Pottersville from It&#8217;s a Wonderful Life).  Hmmmmmmmm? Then shouldn&#8217;t Bif have experienced the same thing after altering the future like that?  He arrives at the new future and they are stuck in the old one never to time travel again.  Only he didn&#8217;t.  He arrived back in good old 2015 allowing them to pop in the car and go back again.  Something is wrong here.</p>
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		<title>By: stokes</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/01/12/the-paradox-of-martys-headless-brother/#comment-5649</link>
		<dc:creator>stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The *most* disturbing explanation would be that the headless kid in the photo is the genetic fallout of Marty getting stuck in 1955 and eventually - &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_That_Ends_Well&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Philip J Fry style&lt;/a&gt; - giving in to Lorraine&#039;s blandishments.    

Marty: &quot;He&#039;s my son.&quot; 
[Doc slaps Marty]
Doc Brown: &quot;I said I want the truth!&quot; 
Marty: &quot;He&#039;s my brother...&quot; 
[slap]
Marty: &quot;He&#039;s my son...&quot;
[slap]
etc. etc.

Traditionally, of course, we&#039;d expect their kids to have TWO heads and play the banjo.  But you&#039;ve got to figure that zero heads is also a possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The *most* disturbing explanation would be that the headless kid in the photo is the genetic fallout of Marty getting stuck in 1955 and eventually &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_That_Ends_Well" rel="nofollow">Philip J Fry style</a> &#8211; giving in to Lorraine&#8217;s blandishments.    </p>
<p>Marty: &#8220;He&#8217;s my son.&#8221;<br />
[Doc slaps Marty]<br />
Doc Brown: &#8220;I said I want the truth!&#8221;<br />
Marty: &#8220;He&#8217;s my brother&#8230;&#8221;<br />
[slap]<br />
Marty: &#8220;He&#8217;s my son&#8230;&#8221;<br />
[slap]<br />
etc. etc.</p>
<p>Traditionally, of course, we&#8217;d expect their kids to have TWO heads and play the banjo.  But you&#8217;ve got to figure that zero heads is also a possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/01/12/the-paradox-of-martys-headless-brother/#comment-5644</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mlawski&#039;s scenario is possible if we assume some things about George and Lorraine.

Lorraine exhibits what Doc describes as Florence Nightingale Syndrome.  In the timeline that led to old 1985, she fell obsessively in love with George McFly aftur nursing him back from being hit by a car.  George with Lorraine by his side is content with his life, even though he&#039;s a loser, and so he continues in his dysfunctional relationship with Biff.

When Mary interferes, George is eventually forced to stand up for himself and win Lorraine&#039;s affections away from Marty, which leads to the new 1985 timeline in which George follows his dreams and becomes a sucessful SF author.  This is actually the THIRD timeline.

When Marty intervenes the first time (before contacting Doc in 1955), this puts the world on a course for a middle timeline.  In this timeline, George does not kiss at the prom.  Without Lorraine&#039;s codependent love and support, George eventually snaps from the emptiness of his life under Biff&#039;s heel, and goes not into SF, but the lucrative field of mad science.  George&#039;s intellect applied to creating monstrosities instead of best-selling novels, he makes groundbreaking strides in the field of headless engineering.  With a Nobel prize under his belt, he woos Lorraine, has three kids, and starts running his demented experiments on them.  This is the 1985 that mlawski describes.

Seeing the outcome of the current timeline in the picture, Marty and Doc panic and intervene a second time, changing the timeline to the new 1985 that we see at the end of the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mlawski&#8217;s scenario is possible if we assume some things about George and Lorraine.</p>
<p>Lorraine exhibits what Doc describes as Florence Nightingale Syndrome.  In the timeline that led to old 1985, she fell obsessively in love with George McFly aftur nursing him back from being hit by a car.  George with Lorraine by his side is content with his life, even though he&#8217;s a loser, and so he continues in his dysfunctional relationship with Biff.</p>
<p>When Mary interferes, George is eventually forced to stand up for himself and win Lorraine&#8217;s affections away from Marty, which leads to the new 1985 timeline in which George follows his dreams and becomes a sucessful SF author.  This is actually the THIRD timeline.</p>
<p>When Marty intervenes the first time (before contacting Doc in 1955), this puts the world on a course for a middle timeline.  In this timeline, George does not kiss at the prom.  Without Lorraine&#8217;s codependent love and support, George eventually snaps from the emptiness of his life under Biff&#8217;s heel, and goes not into SF, but the lucrative field of mad science.  George&#8217;s intellect applied to creating monstrosities instead of best-selling novels, he makes groundbreaking strides in the field of headless engineering.  With a Nobel prize under his belt, he woos Lorraine, has three kids, and starts running his demented experiments on them.  This is the 1985 that mlawski describes.</p>
<p>Seeing the outcome of the current timeline in the picture, Marty and Doc panic and intervene a second time, changing the timeline to the new 1985 that we see at the end of the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: LordyLord</title>
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		<dc:creator>LordyLord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 06:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why wouldn&#039;t the oldest disappear first? There&#039;s always the possibility the parents can get together and have the younger children. The oldest would be the first to not be born.

As for Marty&#039;s hand disappearing, what would people have thought when Marty&#039;s head just suddenly disappears and his lifeless corpse falls off stage, almost ensuring that nobody gets lucky that night. Then they are scarred for life and unable to have kids causing Hill Valley to become a ghost town where noone can live.

Because Doc is responsible for the tragedy, he turns into a psycotic killer who dresses up like Marty when he stabs young teenagers who are &#039;having a good time&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t the oldest disappear first? There&#8217;s always the possibility the parents can get together and have the younger children. The oldest would be the first to not be born.</p>
<p>As for Marty&#8217;s hand disappearing, what would people have thought when Marty&#8217;s head just suddenly disappears and his lifeless corpse falls off stage, almost ensuring that nobody gets lucky that night. Then they are scarred for life and unable to have kids causing Hill Valley to become a ghost town where noone can live.</p>
<p>Because Doc is responsible for the tragedy, he turns into a psycotic killer who dresses up like Marty when he stabs young teenagers who are &#8216;having a good time&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they did state in the movie that the clock tower was struck by lightning at EXACTLY ......whatever the time was lol
So they could figure that out by looking at the position of the gears in the clock tower. There are smaller gears always turning and one, if they had such knowledge about that particular clock and the gearing, would need but to look at the position of smaller gears to deduce the very second it stopped.Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they did state in the movie that the clock tower was struck by lightning at EXACTLY &#8230;&#8230;whatever the time was lol<br />
So they could figure that out by looking at the position of the gears in the clock tower. There are smaller gears always turning and one, if they had such knowledge about that particular clock and the gearing, would need but to look at the position of smaller gears to deduce the very second it stopped.Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Jochen</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/01/12/the-paradox-of-martys-headless-brother/#comment-4828</link>
		<dc:creator>Jochen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Back to the Future was on last night, so of course I watched it.  It’s a genius movie. &quot;

Huge ACK, man!
BTTF (1) ist still the only movie I can imagine playing directly again after watching it. I often catch myself muttering the dialogues...depending on the playing version in english or in my native german (well, according to the german dubbed version).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Back to the Future was on last night, so of course I watched it.  It’s a genius movie. &#8221;</p>
<p>Huge ACK, man!<br />
BTTF (1) ist still the only movie I can imagine playing directly again after watching it. I often catch myself muttering the dialogues&#8230;depending on the playing version in english or in my native german (well, according to the german dubbed version).</p>
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		<title>By: Top Ten Miraculous Fictional Head Injuries &#124; Overthinking It</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/01/12/the-paradox-of-martys-headless-brother/#comment-4822</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Ten Miraculous Fictional Head Injuries &#124; Overthinking It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as to whether Marty McFly’s time travel was a good or a bad thing, the degree to which it was plausible, or what it might mean, and how it might work. Much seems obscured or inconsistent. There is plenty [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as to whether Marty McFly’s time travel was a good or a bad thing, the degree to which it was plausible, or what it might mean, and how it might work. Much seems obscured or inconsistent. There is plenty [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Nolan</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/01/12/the-paradox-of-martys-headless-brother/#comment-4766</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have enjoyed the BTTF overthinking stuff, since I do a lot of this stuff myself. I read it gloriously out of order too, which helped.

I am puzzled as to why there are so many tacit assumptions about the nature of time travel though- BTTF is clearly shooting for some kind of many histories model, and within each history Chuck Berry, McFly, a combination or something entirely different might engender something we presume we recognise.

Likewise the headless brother photo.

Metatextually it is obviously SCIENCE! that makes the head disappear and the hand disappear, but it is easy to imagine that as has been pointed out it was the identity of the brother not his existence that had altered... Or even that the photo had to be altered using airbrushing (bit early for Photoshop outside of movie and CIA circles in 1985) and somehow Marty ended up with a bodged version in that parallel world for some reason...

As for his fading hand- he triggered a massive short circuit with the uberamp and uberspeakers, he injured it in the future, he stuck it out of car windows, inexpertly punched people with it and tried to be a gunslinger with it- played with steam with it, had skateboarding accidents with it- out of so many possible ways to lose a hand, in a high risk mission through time and so many parallel worlds... It&#039;s a miracle he didn&#039;t start the film with a stump... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have enjoyed the BTTF overthinking stuff, since I do a lot of this stuff myself. I read it gloriously out of order too, which helped.</p>
<p>I am puzzled as to why there are so many tacit assumptions about the nature of time travel though- BTTF is clearly shooting for some kind of many histories model, and within each history Chuck Berry, McFly, a combination or something entirely different might engender something we presume we recognise.</p>
<p>Likewise the headless brother photo.</p>
<p>Metatextually it is obviously SCIENCE! that makes the head disappear and the hand disappear, but it is easy to imagine that as has been pointed out it was the identity of the brother not his existence that had altered&#8230; Or even that the photo had to be altered using airbrushing (bit early for Photoshop outside of movie and CIA circles in 1985) and somehow Marty ended up with a bodged version in that parallel world for some reason&#8230;</p>
<p>As for his fading hand- he triggered a massive short circuit with the uberamp and uberspeakers, he injured it in the future, he stuck it out of car windows, inexpertly punched people with it and tried to be a gunslinger with it- played with steam with it, had skateboarding accidents with it- out of so many possible ways to lose a hand, in a high risk mission through time and so many parallel worlds&#8230; It&#8217;s a miracle he didn&#8217;t start the film with a stump&#8230; :)</p>
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		<title>By: mlawski</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/01/12/the-paradox-of-martys-headless-brother/#comment-4751</link>
		<dc:creator>mlawski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lynsey: See, that&#039;s good Overthinking(tm)!  Doesn&#039;t really explain Marty&#039;s missing hand, though...

OR DOES IT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lynsey: See, that&#8217;s good Overthinking(tm)!  Doesn&#8217;t really explain Marty&#8217;s missing hand, though&#8230;</p>
<p>OR DOES IT?</p>
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		<title>By: Lynsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe at that point the only thing not decided about his brother was his face - would her first child be with Biff after he took advantage but she chose George after she needed a father for her kid and he had expressed an interest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe at that point the only thing not decided about his brother was his face &#8211; would her first child be with Biff after he took advantage but she chose George after she needed a father for her kid and he had expressed an interest?</p>
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