There is a website that has posted a rather intelligent response that states that these books clearly ARE sexist.

They are known as Azrim’s Rebuttals and they point out who truly flawed the Twilight series is… which includes Edward being Abusive, Imprinting to be Sexist and Pedophilic, Bella being an absolute Idiot, why Edward and Bella are in petty LUST and not love, etc.

I recommend taking a good look at them.

Mea culpa!

And I don’t know if I’d call it sexist so much as silly. The man of your dreams being a 100 year old virgin who is stalking you? Seriously? You said that Twilight is good because it shows female desire as a good thing, but you can hardly consider a good that that desire means making out with a lurking stranger in your bedroom.

Oh, and Syd and Gab – as a 19-year-old goth I can say that you guys have the wrong idea about the goth subculture. I’m not experience with emo, but goth is a subculture based around a style of music and fashion. NOT self-harm, murder, or violence. The kid who killed his girlfriend must have problems that transcend subcultures.

Also, most Christians belive in becoming spirits (ghosts) in heaven without bodies. Mormons believe that God and mankind will have perfected bodies eventually, something similar perhaps to the vampires without the gothed-out Lestat angle.

Mormons also believe in something called eternal progression, basically the idea that people will continue to learn and adavnce forever until they become perfect, reaching the full potential that God (their literal father) has for them to become like them. The same way we hope our kids grow up to be like us.

(just forget my awful English, I’ll try my best but I know i need to improve it)

I red the 4 books and i wonder why i loved them so much. The fact is the writing is simple (and the translation is very poor, mixing old fashion way to speak like “mon amoureux” to a rough imitation of teenagers language , From what i have red from the V.O. it sounds better).

I really thing that the point is the “passion” and the fact that for quiet a few decades children (especially girls) have been raised with the idea that love must be passion. Thanks to the fairy tales, the love stories ends there they should start: At the beginning of the true relation ship.

That’s why modern fairy tales show us a “non-human love” because this is NOT love, this is never ending passion.

In the twilight sag it’s worse than that, even in the vampire standard, their love is more than just common love.

spoiler: When Bella become at last a vampire, she is supposed to be obsessed with blood, human blood… but no, she is much more obsessed by her hot vampire husband’s body…

According to me we are so used to watch, read… fascinating stories ( and I’m not talking about love only but every kind of passions) that life become dull.

I’m not a teenager anymore, I mean I’m a little more than 19… 11 years more to be exact. But I come to realize with some of my friends that we are still teenagers in the facts. To become an adult is to accept what we are or more accurately, what we will never be. Compared to all the fairy tales how can we be satisfied with normality?

That’s probably why i liked those novels, and why teenagers are too. I understand why some girls are pursuing Robert Pattinson in order to ask him to bite them…. It makes me laugh and cry at the same time.

Passion is not something we can feel all the time, and it’s more like a drug. Bella’s Edward fix and in the other way around… and this story is an huge fix to those like me…

I maybe over thinking it? but isn’t it all the point here?

Just like Parents want to know about sex, violence and course language. I think a parent has the right to know that a book is filled with someones religious dogma. I think the books were written to be Mormon and she disguise it with moody emo vampires and clumsy girls.

There are very unrealistic views about love, sex, relationships, and family in these books. There is a lot of irresponsibly, by the author, in filling girls heads with “This is how a man acts” men are human beings that have flaws and faults and sometimes they make the man better and more interesting then a perfect man that is willing to let (bella) walk all over him while almost having an affair with another man (Jacob)

There are also glaring issues with simple grammar and editing in these books they are for the most part 2 times bigger then they need to be an I really do think that Stephenie spent a great deal of time just typing out words so her vicarious life could continue as long as possible. There is no doubt in my mind and others that she is Bella.

When I discovered these books I did so with my niece she asked me to read them with her and I did. After reading the first book and researching the author, I sat my sister and my niece down to discuss the religious nature of the books. I had to point out very adult things to my 13 year old niece so she would have a clear picture of how the real world is and how normal people deal with lie and love and that people do have to have hardship and pain and should suffer the consequences of life.

One of the best things about the Harry Potter series ( And I have to tell you hearing it constantly compared to this vanity project is getting tiring) is the Jk Rowlings showed how life really is filled with joys, heart break, death, pain, elation, regret, and every other emotion you can imagine. She did it with class and regard for her readers and mostly for her biggest fan her daughter.

Stephenie Meyer gave us 2000 odd pages filled with nothing but rainbows and Bella getting everything she has ever wanted wrapped in a baby blanket with the name Renesmee on it. ( really Stephenie? )

Sorry this was so long.

BUT. I do concede that perhaps Emo and Goth are different. Similar, but not the same entity, since yes, both groups exist simultaneously still.

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