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		<title>By: Gab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didja know about the remake of _Last House on the Left_?  So this is a remake of a remake, then?</description>
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		<title>By: Mads</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/10/30/five-horror-films-that-will-leave-you-feeling-unclean/#comment-2632</link>
		<dc:creator>Mads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Argento doesn&#039;t bother me either. When ever I see a movie i really like I feel kind of good afterwards even if the film is sad or disturbing. It&#039;s not that I&#039;m not affected by the material but every time I see something that in my opinion is true art I am glad to have seen it and feel invigorated by it. Thats how I feel about Susperia.To quote Roger Ebert: It&#039;s not what the film is about, but how it is about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Argento doesn&#8217;t bother me either. When ever I see a movie i really like I feel kind of good afterwards even if the film is sad or disturbing. It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m not affected by the material but every time I see something that in my opinion is true art I am glad to have seen it and feel invigorated by it. Thats how I feel about Susperia.To quote Roger Ebert: It&#8217;s not what the film is about, but how it is about it.</p>
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		<title>By: stokes</title>
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		<dc:creator>stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dario Argento, the director of Suspiria, has gone on record saying &quot;I like women, especially beautiful ones. If they have a good face and figure, I would much prefer to watch them being murdered than an ugly girl or man.&quot;  Yeah, that&#039;s not creepy at all.  Especially coming from a guy who looks like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gotterdammerung.org/film/dario-argento/dario-argento.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this.&lt;/a&gt;

But for all that he&#039;s a creep, he&#039;s usually held up as one of the greatest and most &quot;artistic&quot; directors in horror.  And I&#039;d tend to agree with this consensus.  Argento movies never bother me that much:  they&#039;re graphic, sure, but everything is so hyper-aestheticized that it&#039;s impossible for me to think of it as real.  Even a purely &lt;em&gt;symbolic&lt;/em&gt; assault on the female form can be a little upsetting when it&#039;s this extreme... but not to the degree that I find myself taking extra-long showers for the next three days, which is really the kind of film I was trying to capture in this list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dario Argento, the director of Suspiria, has gone on record saying &#8220;I like women, especially beautiful ones. If they have a good face and figure, I would much prefer to watch them being murdered than an ugly girl or man.&#8221;  Yeah, that&#8217;s not creepy at all.  Especially coming from a guy who looks like <a href="http://www.gotterdammerung.org/film/dario-argento/dario-argento.jpg" rel="nofollow">this.</a></p>
<p>But for all that he&#8217;s a creep, he&#8217;s usually held up as one of the greatest and most &#8220;artistic&#8221; directors in horror.  And I&#8217;d tend to agree with this consensus.  Argento movies never bother me that much:  they&#8217;re graphic, sure, but everything is so hyper-aestheticized that it&#8217;s impossible for me to think of it as real.  Even a purely <em>symbolic</em> assault on the female form can be a little upsetting when it&#8217;s this extreme&#8230; but not to the degree that I find myself taking extra-long showers for the next three days, which is really the kind of film I was trying to capture in this list.</p>
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		<title>By: Five Horror Films That Will Leave You Gleeful &#124; Overthinking It</title>
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		<dc:creator>Five Horror Films That Will Leave You Gleeful &#124; Overthinking It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Professor Coldheart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Coldheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m nominating &lt;i&gt;Suspiria&lt;/i&gt; for consideration as well, if only for its bizarre antagonism toward women.

Not that girls fare well in most horror movies, but &lt;i&gt;Suspiria&lt;/i&gt; contrives elaborate grotesqueries to make them suffer before slaughtering them.  And without the implied Puritanism of the 70s/80s slasher flick (&quot;oh, she took her top off; she&#039;s going to get knifed&quot;).  No, the first victim&#039;s crime is looking out a window on a dark night.  For this, the killer:

* Stabs her repeatedly in the chest ...
* To the point that her still-beating heart is exposed  (?!), which he then stabs;
* Chokes her to death with a rope;
* Drops her body on the glass skylight over the lobby of her apartment building ...
* Which shatters, killing a friend of hers who&#039;d been running for help by impaling her through the head.

All of this is depicted fairly graphically, with nightmarish color schemes and unreal synthesizers.

I&#039;ve never actually seen the movie.  You can find the above sequence on YouTube, though I &lt;b&gt;strongly and sincerely recommend against watching it ever&lt;/b&gt;.  Profoundly discomfiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m nominating <i>Suspiria</i> for consideration as well, if only for its bizarre antagonism toward women.</p>
<p>Not that girls fare well in most horror movies, but <i>Suspiria</i> contrives elaborate grotesqueries to make them suffer before slaughtering them.  And without the implied Puritanism of the 70s/80s slasher flick (&#8220;oh, she took her top off; she&#8217;s going to get knifed&#8221;).  No, the first victim&#8217;s crime is looking out a window on a dark night.  For this, the killer:</p>
<p>* Stabs her repeatedly in the chest &#8230;<br />
* To the point that her still-beating heart is exposed  (?!), which he then stabs;<br />
* Chokes her to death with a rope;<br />
* Drops her body on the glass skylight over the lobby of her apartment building &#8230;<br />
* Which shatters, killing a friend of hers who&#8217;d been running for help by impaling her through the head.</p>
<p>All of this is depicted fairly graphically, with nightmarish color schemes and unreal synthesizers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never actually seen the movie.  You can find the above sequence on YouTube, though I <b>strongly and sincerely recommend against watching it ever</b>.  Profoundly discomfiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understood that it wasn&#039;t a documentary.  My point (and I think we agree on this) is that &lt;em&gt;Men Behind the Sun&lt;/em&gt; can&#039;t pretend that its images are justified just because they are based on true events... they would have to be images *of* the events.  And even then, they would have to be handled sensitively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understood that it wasn&#8217;t a documentary.  My point (and I think we agree on this) is that <em>Men Behind the Sun</em> can&#8217;t pretend that its images are justified just because they are based on true events&#8230; they would have to be images *of* the events.  And even then, they would have to be handled sensitively.</p>
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		<title>By: Mads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh it was not real footage. It&#039;s a film, with actors and special effects. I agree if it were real footage it shouldn&#039;t be censored, but this is a film that instead of examinating the events, in my opinion, exploits the events for effect. It doesent look like a documentary it is filmed like a movie, i.e. good picture, good sound, good lighting. It has a very loose plotline. A new general comes to the camp and then we see the gruesome experiments case by case, with dates, case nubers and dates. An then in the end the camp is attacked and everything is burned down. It is based on something called Unit 751. Doen&#039;t Google unless you want to loose hope in humanity...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh it was not real footage. It&#8217;s a film, with actors and special effects. I agree if it were real footage it shouldn&#8217;t be censored, but this is a film that instead of examinating the events, in my opinion, exploits the events for effect. It doesent look like a documentary it is filmed like a movie, i.e. good picture, good sound, good lighting. It has a very loose plotline. A new general comes to the camp and then we see the gruesome experiments case by case, with dates, case nubers and dates. An then in the end the camp is attacked and everything is burned down. It is based on something called Unit 751. Doen&#8217;t Google unless you want to loose hope in humanity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stokes</title>
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		<dc:creator>stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gab - Hey, some people react strongly to things.  A guy I know *passed out* after watching the eyeball scene in Un Chien Andalou.  Oh, and I think you need to reexamine your definition of &quot;mercy.&quot; ;)

Mads - I think that the fact that it really took place might justify ACTUAL footage of it. No one would, or should, try to censor the stuff the US Army recorded when they were going around liberating people from the concentration camps.  But a restaging doesn&#039;t get off the hook.  It isn&#039;t documentary footage:  it&#039;s an attempt to entertain or manipulate the audience.  As such, it should observe certain limits of taste, regardless of the nobility of its intentions... and nothing in your description makes me think that the men behind &quot;Men Behind the Sun&quot; had very good intentions.

And yeah, that thing with the cat couldn&#039;t be more apalling.

Odd, though... I was just thinking of that scene at the beginning of The Wild Bunch where they kill the scorpion by dropping it on an anthill.  I couldn&#039;t care less about that one.  My sympathy and moral outrage are reserved for vertebrates, I guess?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gab &#8211; Hey, some people react strongly to things.  A guy I know *passed out* after watching the eyeball scene in Un Chien Andalou.  Oh, and I think you need to reexamine your definition of &#8220;mercy.&#8221; ;)</p>
<p>Mads &#8211; I think that the fact that it really took place might justify ACTUAL footage of it. No one would, or should, try to censor the stuff the US Army recorded when they were going around liberating people from the concentration camps.  But a restaging doesn&#8217;t get off the hook.  It isn&#8217;t documentary footage:  it&#8217;s an attempt to entertain or manipulate the audience.  As such, it should observe certain limits of taste, regardless of the nobility of its intentions&#8230; and nothing in your description makes me think that the men behind &#8220;Men Behind the Sun&#8221; had very good intentions.</p>
<p>And yeah, that thing with the cat couldn&#8217;t be more apalling.</p>
<p>Odd, though&#8230; I was just thinking of that scene at the beginning of The Wild Bunch where they kill the scorpion by dropping it on an anthill.  I couldn&#8217;t care less about that one.  My sympathy and moral outrage are reserved for vertebrates, I guess?</p>
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		<title>By: Gab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the cat had terminal cancer, making it a mercy kill?  I know, I&#039;m going to Hell in a handbasket.  But anyway, &quot;Men Behind the Sun&quot; makes me think of the German Doctor Josef Mengele- someone could make pretty much the same movie about him, what with** all of the freaky experiments he did at Auschwitz.  But just because they CAN doesn&#039;t mean they SHOULD.  I&#039;d rather just read about it in text books or see very corny depictions that don&#039;t really scare me as much as the narration from the History Channel. 

You asked for &quot;disgusting movie,&quot; not &quot;disgusting HORROR movie,&quot; so the first movie that came into my head was &quot;Trainspotting.&quot;  The combination of my morals, experiences with poverty and addiction and self-medication (personal and closely observed, respectively), astute ability to empathize, desire to have children someday, and with an already hypersensitive/histrionic nature made me *actually vomit* during one particular scene after a painful-to-watch-but-unable-to-stop buildup, at which point I did, I stopped watching.  Anyone that has seen this movie would hopefully know what I&#039;m talking about.  I knew it was coming, for it was sadly and masterfully quite predictable, given how the movie had been thus far; but still, I reacted physically, and violently so.  Before seeing this (and I was a sophomore in college at the time), I had never felt the need to look away for a whole scene during a movie, let alone shut one off- even the scariest ones I had seen, like &quot;The Exorcist&quot; or the &quot;Saw&quot; movies may have caused me to squint or turn my head a little, but I never completely closed my eyes for more than a second or two.  But when that particular image came onscreen, I threw up and then cried for over an hour, and I still have nightmares about it.  And yes, I understand what the point was- I&#039;m not st00pid, in spite of how I ramble- but goddamnit, that just...  Ah, I&#039;m watering up thinking about it.  

*Is the phrase &quot;what with&quot; used properly there, Wrather?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the cat had terminal cancer, making it a mercy kill?  I know, I&#8217;m going to Hell in a handbasket.  But anyway, &#8220;Men Behind the Sun&#8221; makes me think of the German Doctor Josef Mengele- someone could make pretty much the same movie about him, what with** all of the freaky experiments he did at Auschwitz.  But just because they CAN doesn&#8217;t mean they SHOULD.  I&#8217;d rather just read about it in text books or see very corny depictions that don&#8217;t really scare me as much as the narration from the History Channel. </p>
<p>You asked for &#8220;disgusting movie,&#8221; not &#8220;disgusting HORROR movie,&#8221; so the first movie that came into my head was &#8220;Trainspotting.&#8221;  The combination of my morals, experiences with poverty and addiction and self-medication (personal and closely observed, respectively), astute ability to empathize, desire to have children someday, and with an already hypersensitive/histrionic nature made me *actually vomit* during one particular scene after a painful-to-watch-but-unable-to-stop buildup, at which point I did, I stopped watching.  Anyone that has seen this movie would hopefully know what I&#8217;m talking about.  I knew it was coming, for it was sadly and masterfully quite predictable, given how the movie had been thus far; but still, I reacted physically, and violently so.  Before seeing this (and I was a sophomore in college at the time), I had never felt the need to look away for a whole scene during a movie, let alone shut one off- even the scariest ones I had seen, like &#8220;The Exorcist&#8221; or the &#8220;Saw&#8221; movies may have caused me to squint or turn my head a little, but I never completely closed my eyes for more than a second or two.  But when that particular image came onscreen, I threw up and then cried for over an hour, and I still have nightmares about it.  And yes, I understand what the point was- I&#8217;m not st00pid, in spite of how I ramble- but goddamnit, that just&#8230;  Ah, I&#8217;m watering up thinking about it.  </p>
<p>*Is the phrase &#8220;what with&#8221; used properly there, Wrather?</p>
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		<title>By: Mads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stokes, I don&#039;t blame you for not wanting to see it. I study film i Denmark (which hopefully excuses misspellings and bad gramma) and a teacher praised the movie, so I thought I ought to see it. I can see why, it really is very, as you put it, skillful. Later I saw a documentary about the events depicted in the film on Discovery Channel and as far as i could tell the move was very accurate. The teacher praised it for the way it dramatizes real events and he found it interesting because it positioned it self somewhere between exploitation and documentarisme. I guess it challenges the viewer by satisfying the lust for cinematic violence and but i comes with a price, because you are actually affected by it and the fact that the events depicted were real makes it impossible to have that distance you normally have to a horror film. However I think for most people who have seen it, it is watched more like sort of a rite of passage, as a test to see how much one can take. For me it was like watching a highway accident I found it very difficult to take my eyes away and afterword i felt unclean for not just turning off. It opens up a question: is the fact that the events are real justification for portraying then in all there horror? My answer would be no. I think that in order to portray something this horrible, there must be some kind of higher meening to showing the gruesomeness, an examination of the mechanism behind such brutal behavior for example. 
Oh and nothing justifies letting e real animal be eaten alive by rats!
What are your thoughts on the matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stokes, I don&#8217;t blame you for not wanting to see it. I study film i Denmark (which hopefully excuses misspellings and bad gramma) and a teacher praised the movie, so I thought I ought to see it. I can see why, it really is very, as you put it, skillful. Later I saw a documentary about the events depicted in the film on Discovery Channel and as far as i could tell the move was very accurate. The teacher praised it for the way it dramatizes real events and he found it interesting because it positioned it self somewhere between exploitation and documentarisme. I guess it challenges the viewer by satisfying the lust for cinematic violence and but i comes with a price, because you are actually affected by it and the fact that the events depicted were real makes it impossible to have that distance you normally have to a horror film. However I think for most people who have seen it, it is watched more like sort of a rite of passage, as a test to see how much one can take. For me it was like watching a highway accident I found it very difficult to take my eyes away and afterword i felt unclean for not just turning off. It opens up a question: is the fact that the events are real justification for portraying then in all there horror? My answer would be no. I think that in order to portray something this horrible, there must be some kind of higher meening to showing the gruesomeness, an examination of the mechanism behind such brutal behavior for example.<br />
Oh and nothing justifies letting e real animal be eaten alive by rats!<br />
What are your thoughts on the matter?</p>
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