Comments on: Fictional Fictions

By: Links « Stuff

Links « Stuff — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:40:45 +0000

[...] A post on… I don’t really know – Terminator, story arcs, time travel – but it’s a …. [...]

By: mlawski

mlawski — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:49:11 +0000

“By the same token, something that ISN’T produced by the copyright holders has a snowball’s chance in hell of becoming canonical, no matter how well it lines up with what we already know about the character/world/etc.”

Tell that to the Catholic church. Ba-ZING!

Oh, PS, there have definitely been some fanfic communities that are so powerful that what they say in their fics becomes almost canonical. In other words, people who read a lot of fanfic start to read a character in a certain way and then write more fanfic using those character traits. Then when they or their readers go back to the original source, they interpret the character according to the fanfiction canon (aka Fanon: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fanon).

By: Stokes

Stokes — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:46:47 +0000

Fenzel: And also saying “Non tumoris est.”

By: Stokes

Stokes — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:35:13 +0000

Gab: my point was that the up upcoming movie won’t – and can’t – end the franchise. For the various reasons I mentioned in the post, I don’t think the franchise ever can “end,” exactly. It can certainly STOP, and eventually it will. But at this point no audience is going to accept the ending as how the story REALLY ends… it’s just going to be how they tried to wrap things up when they ran out of time.

I like your notion of there being a separate Bat-canon for each Bat-author.

As for what counts as canon in general: for the most part, people treat anything produced by the copyright holders as canonical. There are exceptions, but they’re few and far between. The idea that anything that contradicts an older – and thus, presumably purer – source can be excluded is certainly nice, but it hardly ever happens. Instead, people find ways to reconcile even the most glaring contradictions. By the same token, something that ISN’T produced by the copyright holders has a snowball’s chance in hell of becoming canonical, no matter how well it lines up with what we already know about the character/world/etc.

Oddly(?) enough, the one place I can think of where your method of determining canonicity WAS applied was the Council of Nicea.

By: Gab

Gab — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:32:20 +0000

Anchises? I must not be overthinking this enough…

By: Sarah Connor Society » Blog Archive » TSCC News Round Up - Spoilers & Stuff

Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:43:04 +0000

[...] Overthinking It gets philosophical about TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES: [...]

By: fenzel

fenzel — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:04:37 +0000

I mean, I’ve never watched the show, but have the robots ever tried to, like, send back hordes upon hordes of ebola-infected monkeys?

By: fenzel

fenzel — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:49:19 +0000

He’s the one saying:

“Si vis vivere, vale mecum.”

By: lee

lee — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:36:39 +0000

My head, it asploeded.

Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles being in the narrow part of the spiral, I unfortunately agree with you, Stokes. There are way. too. damn. many. terminators that keep popping up in the story line, which means way. too. much. time travel going on. And if time travel has turned out to be so easy for SkyNet to do after all, why didn’t they just send, like, 5 terminators back to 1980 to kill Sarah Connor when she was a teenager, or back to 1960 to kill her grandmother?

One of the assumptions that Terminators 1, 2, and 3 all rested upon was that time travel is not a trivial thing. Remember Sarah’s opening monologue from T2?

“As before, the Resistance was able to send a lone warrior.”

This assumption has clearly been ripped to shreds with the new TV series.

Sigh. My head is still asploeding.

By: Gab

Gab — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:07:54 +0000

So who’s leading us through a portal or gate of false dreams, fenzel?

(Classics… heart… If only I could have endured through Latin in college…)