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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/09/24/batman-vs-the-batman/#comment-2424</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;The Batman&quot; is a nickname or a title for someone dressed like a bat. &quot;Batman&quot; is a creature who was born or created like a bat. A human-bat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;The Batman&#8221; is a nickname or a title for someone dressed like a bat. &#8220;Batman&#8221; is a creature who was born or created like a bat. A human-bat.</p>
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		<title>By: Links &#171; Stuff</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/09/24/batman-vs-the-batman/#comment-1864</link>
		<dc:creator>Links &#171; Stuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Batman or the Batman? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gab</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/09/24/batman-vs-the-batman/#comment-1788</link>
		<dc:creator>Gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foxdie:  I seriously lold.</description>
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		<title>By: Foxdie</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/09/24/batman-vs-the-batman/#comment-1775</link>
		<dc:creator>Foxdie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I prefer &quot;The Goddamned Batman&quot; as he calls himself occasionally in the comics.

http://www.i-mockery.com/comics/longbox7/pics/goddamn.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I prefer &#8220;The Goddamned Batman&#8221; as he calls himself occasionally in the comics.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.i-mockery.com/comics/longbox7/pics/goddamn.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.i-mockery.com/comics/longbox7/pics/goddamn.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/09/24/batman-vs-the-batman/#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always referred to him as Batman, to me that just sounds right.

This is my theory ...

It makes sense that when he initially began to be spotted around Gotham, he was referred to as &quot;The Bat-man.&quot; It&#039;s a way to describe the mythical crime fighter in a costume. He was a man dressed like a bat, the name just makes sense.

Over time, it stands to reason that the nickname would stick and eventually people would drop the &quot;the&quot; and just refer to him as Batman.

But I completely agree with you about your theory that people who see him as a person call him Batman, while villains who fear him call him &quot;The Batman.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always referred to him as Batman, to me that just sounds right.</p>
<p>This is my theory &#8230;</p>
<p>It makes sense that when he initially began to be spotted around Gotham, he was referred to as &#8220;The Bat-man.&#8221; It&#8217;s a way to describe the mythical crime fighter in a costume. He was a man dressed like a bat, the name just makes sense.</p>
<p>Over time, it stands to reason that the nickname would stick and eventually people would drop the &#8220;the&#8221; and just refer to him as Batman.</p>
<p>But I completely agree with you about your theory that people who see him as a person call him Batman, while villains who fear him call him &#8220;The Batman.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: lee</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/09/24/batman-vs-the-batman/#comment-1725</link>
		<dc:creator>lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A note about &quot;The Joker.&quot;  My recollection on the 60&#039;s TV series is that The Joker was often referred to as simply &quot;Joker&quot; without the &quot;the,&quot; both when being spoken to and when spoke about.  See this clip and fast forward to about 1:00:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phTqQebUcPY

The crowd watching the surfing competition repeatedly refers to &quot;Joker&quot; while watching him from afar.

Clearly, this is a product of The Joker being a far more human and less monstrous character than the Tim Burton or Chris Nolan depictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A note about &#8220;The Joker.&#8221;  My recollection on the 60&#8217;s TV series is that The Joker was often referred to as simply &#8220;Joker&#8221; without the &#8220;the,&#8221; both when being spoken to and when spoke about.  See this clip and fast forward to about 1:00:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phTqQebUcPY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phTqQebUcPY</a></p>
<p>The crowd watching the surfing competition repeatedly refers to &#8220;Joker&#8221; while watching him from afar.</p>
<p>Clearly, this is a product of The Joker being a far more human and less monstrous character than the Tim Burton or Chris Nolan depictions.</p>
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		<title>By: Gab</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/09/24/batman-vs-the-batman/#comment-1723</link>
		<dc:creator>Gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sat back and thought about it for a second and realized that I go back and forth, depending on the context and the type of point I&#039;m trying to get across; and it depends on, basically, your two categories.  If I&#039;m debating with people about whether he should exist or not (and I&#039;m a political nerd, so I usually do this with a political/sociological perspective), I tend to use the &quot;the&quot; because it is more objective and gives him more of a title.  If I&#039;m just fangirling it and talking about how hott and sexxy and bada$$ he is, I&#039;ll leave out the &quot;the&quot; because it&#039;s more about my admiration and less about justifying him and what he does in a (seemingly) objective fashion.  

Now, were I to write a fanfic about him (no, I&#039;m so not alluding to other posts), I&#039;d use no &quot;the,&quot; but I&#039;d let my characters do the &quot;the&quot;-ing for me where necessary.  EX: When the love interest writes an editorial to the _Gotham Times_ defending his methods and ways, &quot;the&quot; would be used in said editorial; but when talking about him with people at, say, a lunch or something, and admitting her little crush, she&#039;d omit it in what she says.

Bwahahaha.

His other names have &quot;the&quot;: the Dark Knight and the Caped Crusader.  I speculate that this is because they are secondary and, theoretically, given to him by others.  Superman is also known as THE Man of Steel, THE Man of Tomorrow, THE Last Son of Krypton, and THE Metropolis Marvel.  Admittedly, I don&#039;t know when each of those first showed up and how, but my guess is they came from citizens of Metropilis that were in awe of him and felt distance in light of his powers.  He&#039;s practically a god to them, and they feel humbled by him and revere him.  The &quot;the&quot; on those makes him more of a symbol for them, much like how the &quot;the&quot; on Batman makes him a symbol for his fans or not-so-fans.  The distance this &quot;the&quot; creates is demonstrated by the Joker in TDK, as you said.  He wants to separate himself from Batman, bottom line (although yeah, there are probably myriad other lines, too).  And note how during his monologue at the end, Gordon doesn&#039;t say, &quot;Dark Knight,&quot; but, &quot;A Dark Knight.&quot;  Not &quot;the,&quot; but the &quot;a&quot; serves the same purpose, albeit for a different reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sat back and thought about it for a second and realized that I go back and forth, depending on the context and the type of point I&#8217;m trying to get across; and it depends on, basically, your two categories.  If I&#8217;m debating with people about whether he should exist or not (and I&#8217;m a political nerd, so I usually do this with a political/sociological perspective), I tend to use the &#8220;the&#8221; because it is more objective and gives him more of a title.  If I&#8217;m just fangirling it and talking about how hott and sexxy and bada$$ he is, I&#8217;ll leave out the &#8220;the&#8221; because it&#8217;s more about my admiration and less about justifying him and what he does in a (seemingly) objective fashion.  </p>
<p>Now, were I to write a fanfic about him (no, I&#8217;m so not alluding to other posts), I&#8217;d use no &#8220;the,&#8221; but I&#8217;d let my characters do the &#8220;the&#8221;-ing for me where necessary.  EX: When the love interest writes an editorial to the _Gotham Times_ defending his methods and ways, &#8220;the&#8221; would be used in said editorial; but when talking about him with people at, say, a lunch or something, and admitting her little crush, she&#8217;d omit it in what she says.</p>
<p>Bwahahaha.</p>
<p>His other names have &#8220;the&#8221;: the Dark Knight and the Caped Crusader.  I speculate that this is because they are secondary and, theoretically, given to him by others.  Superman is also known as THE Man of Steel, THE Man of Tomorrow, THE Last Son of Krypton, and THE Metropolis Marvel.  Admittedly, I don&#8217;t know when each of those first showed up and how, but my guess is they came from citizens of Metropilis that were in awe of him and felt distance in light of his powers.  He&#8217;s practically a god to them, and they feel humbled by him and revere him.  The &#8220;the&#8221; on those makes him more of a symbol for them, much like how the &#8220;the&#8221; on Batman makes him a symbol for his fans or not-so-fans.  The distance this &#8220;the&#8221; creates is demonstrated by the Joker in TDK, as you said.  He wants to separate himself from Batman, bottom line (although yeah, there are probably myriad other lines, too).  And note how during his monologue at the end, Gordon doesn&#8217;t say, &#8220;Dark Knight,&#8221; but, &#8220;A Dark Knight.&#8221;  Not &#8220;the,&#8221; but the &#8220;a&#8221; serves the same purpose, albeit for a different reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Belinkie</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/09/24/batman-vs-the-batman/#comment-1722</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Belinkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ug, it&#039;s a pdf. I&#039;m pretty obsessive, but I&#039;m not tallying all those &quot;Batman&quot;s and &quot;the Batman&quot;s without control-f.

Thanks for the link, though! It&#039;s a tremendous script. I&#039;d be curious to go through and see exactly what Heath Ledger improvised during shooting, if anything.

One line that&#039;s NOT in this script:
&quot;You&#039;re crazy.&quot; &quot;I&#039;m not. I&#039;m... not.&quot;
Simple, but Heath makes it kind of chilling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ug, it&#8217;s a pdf. I&#8217;m pretty obsessive, but I&#8217;m not tallying all those &#8220;Batman&#8221;s and &#8220;the Batman&#8221;s without control-f.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link, though! It&#8217;s a tremendous script. I&#8217;d be curious to go through and see exactly what Heath Ledger improvised during shooting, if anything.</p>
<p>One line that&#8217;s NOT in this script:<br />
&#8220;You&#8217;re crazy.&#8221; &#8220;I&#8217;m not. I&#8217;m&#8230; not.&#8221;<br />
Simple, but Heath makes it kind of chilling.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Harkness</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/09/24/batman-vs-the-batman/#comment-1721</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Harkness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a transcript of The Dark Knight. I downloaded it from here :
http://joblo.com/scripts/The_Dark_Knight.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a transcript of The Dark Knight. I downloaded it from here :<br />
<a href="http://joblo.com/scripts/The_Dark_Knight.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://joblo.com/scripts/The_Dark_Knight.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: mlawski</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlawski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hyphen in between Bat and Man in the Bob Kane quotation further justifies my theory that the name should be pronounced &quot;The Bat.  Man.&quot; with a breath in between.  That&#039;s what Dr. Crane says, and I think the Joker pronounces it that way, too.  That space distances us further from Batman, making him even more inhuman.  It&#039;s also more fun to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hyphen in between Bat and Man in the Bob Kane quotation further justifies my theory that the name should be pronounced &#8220;The Bat.  Man.&#8221; with a breath in between.  That&#8217;s what Dr. Crane says, and I think the Joker pronounces it that way, too.  That space distances us further from Batman, making him even more inhuman.  It&#8217;s also more fun to say.</p>
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