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		<title>By: UnSub</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/08/04/im-just-getting-warmed-up/#comment-1040</link>
		<dc:creator>UnSub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the topic of the non-zombie zombies, my gripe was that they did this trick twice - once at the graveyard and once at the hidden temple. Are there really groups of people all over the world who just hang around waiting for someone to visit an obsure spot just so they can leap out en masse?

Oh, and the fact these warriors were hidden behind walls / panels in the temple they had to break through was just idiotic. Do they break through these things every day as they clock on / clock off, but have someone reset them? Does they play pracitcal jokes by sending out a false alarm that causes everyone to spring from their hiding place so they all can have a good laugh?

I accepted Indy IV as a pulp movie, but dear god, it had some stupid, it&#039;s-in-the-script moments in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the topic of the non-zombie zombies, my gripe was that they did this trick twice &#8211; once at the graveyard and once at the hidden temple. Are there really groups of people all over the world who just hang around waiting for someone to visit an obsure spot just so they can leap out en masse?</p>
<p>Oh, and the fact these warriors were hidden behind walls / panels in the temple they had to break through was just idiotic. Do they break through these things every day as they clock on / clock off, but have someone reset them? Does they play pracitcal jokes by sending out a false alarm that causes everyone to spring from their hiding place so they all can have a good laugh?</p>
<p>I accepted Indy IV as a pulp movie, but dear god, it had some stupid, it&#8217;s-in-the-script moments in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stokes</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/08/04/im-just-getting-warmed-up/#comment-973</link>
		<dc:creator>Stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trailer also overlayed that line of dialogue with a momentary shot of the &quot;Uglas.&quot;  I remember thinking at the time, &quot;Hmm, their zombies are surprisingly non-rotty.&quot;  The movie might get off the hook, but the trailer is misleading AND racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trailer also overlayed that line of dialogue with a momentary shot of the &#8220;Uglas.&#8221;  I remember thinking at the time, &#8220;Hmm, their zombies are surprisingly non-rotty.&#8221;  The movie might get off the hook, but the trailer is misleading AND racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Belinkie</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/08/04/im-just-getting-warmed-up/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Belinkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latore - that&#039;s pretty good right there. It gels with the reveal that &quot;gold&quot; and &quot;knowledge&quot; are the same word, and that&#039;s why the city wasn&#039;t made of actual gold.

But even assuming that the whole &quot;guarded by the living dead&quot; thing is a clever reference to the aliens, it&#039;s still pretty sneaky to put the line in the trailer. They knew what people would think.

It&#039;s one thing to have a misleading prophesy in the movie. It&#039;s another to market with one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latore &#8211; that&#8217;s pretty good right there. It gels with the reveal that &#8220;gold&#8221; and &#8220;knowledge&#8221; are the same word, and that&#8217;s why the city wasn&#8217;t made of actual gold.</p>
<p>But even assuming that the whole &#8220;guarded by the living dead&#8221; thing is a clever reference to the aliens, it&#8217;s still pretty sneaky to put the line in the trailer. They knew what people would think.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to have a misleading prophesy in the movie. It&#8217;s another to market with one.</p>
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		<title>By: Gab</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/08/04/im-just-getting-warmed-up/#comment-970</link>
		<dc:creator>Gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then, fenzel, I still can&#039;t reiterate my previous claim enough, that BOTH of them are into franchises for profit (and yeah, ego) now and are losing the art.  I mean, come on.  They kill the story, beat the dead horse so that it&#039;s not just dead, but D-E-D.  A FOURTH &quot;Jurassic Park?&quot;  WHY make a CGI movie like &quot;Clone Wars&quot; unless you&#039;re trying to get even younger kids for marketing?  And I think &quot;Crystal Skull&quot; *proves* they&#039;re putting plot on the back burner.  And it&#039;s for profit.  THAT&#039;S why they &quot;pulled it back.&quot;

And it relates to how next to (but admittedly not quite) nobody can come up with an original idea anymore when making a movie.  Whether it be the latest installment in a series, a remake, a new interpretation of something older than the original interpretation, based on a book or game, etc., WHATEVER.  The only movie maker I can think of off the top of my head that has had multiple successes recently while being original each time is Appatow.  Shyamalan, ish-- while I personally like all of his movies (except &quot;Unbreakable&quot;), they haven&#039;t been commercially successful.  Anyhoo, the point is these producers and movie gurus lately just build off of older franchises instead of coming up with all-new ideas.  In some cases, I do think there is genuine love and art in them (the &quot;Bourne&quot; franchise, Nolan&#039;s interpretation of Batman, &quot;Watchmen&quot; looks promising, from what I&#039;ve read as a nerdgirl); but I think more often than not, it&#039;s more about making a buck than doing any real justice to the characters or old story (SS&#039;s newest R&amp;R movies, &quot;Crystal Skull,&quot; all of these kiddy sequels coming out in the next couple years) (and I haven&#039;t seen the new &quot;Mummy,&quot; but if they&#039;re willing to do it without Rachel...).

Mo&#039; money, mo&#039; problems.

My soul: it hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then, fenzel, I still can&#8217;t reiterate my previous claim enough, that BOTH of them are into franchises for profit (and yeah, ego) now and are losing the art.  I mean, come on.  They kill the story, beat the dead horse so that it&#8217;s not just dead, but D-E-D.  A FOURTH &#8220;Jurassic Park?&#8221;  WHY make a CGI movie like &#8220;Clone Wars&#8221; unless you&#8217;re trying to get even younger kids for marketing?  And I think &#8220;Crystal Skull&#8221; *proves* they&#8217;re putting plot on the back burner.  And it&#8217;s for profit.  THAT&#8217;S why they &#8220;pulled it back.&#8221;</p>
<p>And it relates to how next to (but admittedly not quite) nobody can come up with an original idea anymore when making a movie.  Whether it be the latest installment in a series, a remake, a new interpretation of something older than the original interpretation, based on a book or game, etc., WHATEVER.  The only movie maker I can think of off the top of my head that has had multiple successes recently while being original each time is Appatow.  Shyamalan, ish&#8211; while I personally like all of his movies (except &#8220;Unbreakable&#8221;), they haven&#8217;t been commercially successful.  Anyhoo, the point is these producers and movie gurus lately just build off of older franchises instead of coming up with all-new ideas.  In some cases, I do think there is genuine love and art in them (the &#8220;Bourne&#8221; franchise, Nolan&#8217;s interpretation of Batman, &#8220;Watchmen&#8221; looks promising, from what I&#8217;ve read as a nerdgirl); but I think more often than not, it&#8217;s more about making a buck than doing any real justice to the characters or old story (SS&#8217;s newest R&amp;R movies, &#8220;Crystal Skull,&#8221; all of these kiddy sequels coming out in the next couple years) (and I haven&#8217;t seen the new &#8220;Mummy,&#8221; but if they&#8217;re willing to do it without Rachel&#8230;).</p>
<p>Mo&#8217; money, mo&#8217; problems.</p>
<p>My soul: it hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: Latore</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/08/04/im-just-getting-warmed-up/#comment-969</link>
		<dc:creator>Latore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;living dead&quot; guardians probably actually refers to the aliens themselves.  They are definitely dead because they are skeletons, but they are also definitely alive because they can set Comrade Blanchett on fire with their minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;living dead&#8221; guardians probably actually refers to the aliens themselves.  They are definitely dead because they are skeletons, but they are also definitely alive because they can set Comrade Blanchett on fire with their minds.</p>
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		<title>By: fenzel</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/08/04/im-just-getting-warmed-up/#comment-968</link>
		<dc:creator>fenzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the thing about this that&#039;s so saddening is that it shows how George Lucas has really lost his chief virtue as a filmmaker -- which was that he _delivered_.

His ideas aren&#039;t the fanciest, or even really all that remarkable, but when it comes to putting them on screen, he just plain _makes it happen_.

And Spielburg is historically really great at picking what you should show and when.

As a tag-team, Spielburg picks great places and times to show things, and Lucas delivers.

The Ark in Raiders. The Death Star. The T-Rex. Heck, friggin E.T. delivered. Lucas didn&#039;t disappoint.

But at some point Lucas and Spielburg pulled it back a level.

Now Spielberg knows what _movies_ to make an when. He has a heightened commercial sense and a sense of timing -- think of _The Terminal_, which could never be made today. Think of _Catch Me If You Can_, which hit at just the right moment for Leonardo DiCaprio as an actor and for its retro-chic.

And Lucas _delivers_ . . . money. He empowers a movie with what it takes to jump from throwaway to commercially successful, while doing next to nothing to actually make it interesting.

So, yeah, I think what we&#039;re really seeing is the tragedy of the meta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the thing about this that&#8217;s so saddening is that it shows how George Lucas has really lost his chief virtue as a filmmaker &#8212; which was that he _delivered_.</p>
<p>His ideas aren&#8217;t the fanciest, or even really all that remarkable, but when it comes to putting them on screen, he just plain _makes it happen_.</p>
<p>And Spielburg is historically really great at picking what you should show and when.</p>
<p>As a tag-team, Spielburg picks great places and times to show things, and Lucas delivers.</p>
<p>The Ark in Raiders. The Death Star. The T-Rex. Heck, friggin E.T. delivered. Lucas didn&#8217;t disappoint.</p>
<p>But at some point Lucas and Spielburg pulled it back a level.</p>
<p>Now Spielberg knows what _movies_ to make an when. He has a heightened commercial sense and a sense of timing &#8212; think of _The Terminal_, which could never be made today. Think of _Catch Me If You Can_, which hit at just the right moment for Leonardo DiCaprio as an actor and for its retro-chic.</p>
<p>And Lucas _delivers_ . . . money. He empowers a movie with what it takes to jump from throwaway to commercially successful, while doing next to nothing to actually make it interesting.</p>
<p>So, yeah, I think what we&#8217;re really seeing is the tragedy of the meta.</p>
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		<title>By: Gab</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/08/04/im-just-getting-warmed-up/#comment-967</link>
		<dc:creator>Gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was waiting for a post like this, since I know from the podcast that some of y&#039;all think the movie is totally racist.  I&#039;m Native American, myself- I agree.  I&#039;m actually surprised this rant was so short- oh, the places I could GO with an expose of the racism...  But to stay on this specific topic, my opinion is that they probably just didn&#039;t care or equate any sort of difference between Natives and Zombies: they&#039;re all just as mindless, useless, and annoying to the filmmakers.  In fact, it probably didn&#039;t even cross their minds.  Native American culture is often completely disregarded by those in power; our voice is never even considered to exist when decisions are made.  So the filmmakers didn&#039;t think replacing zombies with Natives could upset or bother anyone (for the cultural aspect, not the, &quot;Hey!  I wanted zombies!  Why are there humans!?&quot;).  

Still somewhat on topic, I can&#039;t help but draw a parallel between Natives and zombies.  Zombies&#039; humanity has been stripped from them in some ways like Native culture has been stripped from Natives: both groups exist in a form that is a sad shadow of their former way of life, and their enemies constantly try to get rid of even that last bit of their history that they cling to.  Native culture is, for the most part, dead, and zombies are, for the most part, dead: a Native&#039;s culture is like a zombie&#039;s humanity.  Granted, reasons for destroying Native culture and destroying zombies are quite different, and the former much less legitimate than the latter (manifest destiny vs. &quot;They tried to eat my arm off!&quot;), but still, there is also that parallel of violence.  

For shits and giggles:

http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was waiting for a post like this, since I know from the podcast that some of y&#8217;all think the movie is totally racist.  I&#8217;m Native American, myself- I agree.  I&#8217;m actually surprised this rant was so short- oh, the places I could GO with an expose of the racism&#8230;  But to stay on this specific topic, my opinion is that they probably just didn&#8217;t care or equate any sort of difference between Natives and Zombies: they&#8217;re all just as mindless, useless, and annoying to the filmmakers.  In fact, it probably didn&#8217;t even cross their minds.  Native American culture is often completely disregarded by those in power; our voice is never even considered to exist when decisions are made.  So the filmmakers didn&#8217;t think replacing zombies with Natives could upset or bother anyone (for the cultural aspect, not the, &#8220;Hey!  I wanted zombies!  Why are there humans!?&#8221;).  </p>
<p>Still somewhat on topic, I can&#8217;t help but draw a parallel between Natives and zombies.  Zombies&#8217; humanity has been stripped from them in some ways like Native culture has been stripped from Natives: both groups exist in a form that is a sad shadow of their former way of life, and their enemies constantly try to get rid of even that last bit of their history that they cling to.  Native culture is, for the most part, dead, and zombies are, for the most part, dead: a Native&#8217;s culture is like a zombie&#8217;s humanity.  Granted, reasons for destroying Native culture and destroying zombies are quite different, and the former much less legitimate than the latter (manifest destiny vs. &#8220;They tried to eat my arm off!&#8221;), but still, there is also that parallel of violence.  </p>
<p>For shits and giggles:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html</a></p>
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