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	<title>Comments on: Cthulhu and Chigurh:  Separated at Birth?</title>
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		<title>By: Bookmarks about Existential</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/07/08/cthulhu-and-chigurh-separated-at-birth/#comment-1806</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookmarks about Existential</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - bookmarked by 6 members originally found by happyfluke1 on 2008-09-09  Cthulhu and Chigurh: Separated at Birth?  http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/07/08/cthulhu-and-chigurh-separated-at-birth/ - bookmarked by 4 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; bookmarked by 6 members originally found by happyfluke1 on 2008-09-09  Cthulhu and Chigurh: Separated at Birth?  <a href="http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/07/08/cthulhu-and-chigurh-separated-at-birth/" rel="nofollow">http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/07/08/cthulhu-and-chigurh-separated-at-birth/</a> &#8211; bookmarked by 4 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fenzel</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/07/08/cthulhu-and-chigurh-separated-at-birth/#comment-678</link>
		<dc:creator>fenzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess finding out about the dark unknown does drive men insane . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess finding out about the dark unknown does drive men insane . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Stokes</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/07/08/cthulhu-and-chigurh-separated-at-birth/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>Stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the spoiler!  But I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve really ruined anything for you.  The car crash is SO random, and SO disconnected from the narrative, that knowing that it&#039;s coming in advance isn&#039;t really going to change your viewing experience much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the spoiler!  But I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve really ruined anything for you.  The car crash is SO random, and SO disconnected from the narrative, that knowing that it&#8217;s coming in advance isn&#8217;t really going to change your viewing experience much.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/07/08/cthulhu-and-chigurh-separated-at-birth/#comment-674</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPOILER!!!! ARGH!!!!

I do hope I wasn&#039;t just deprived of a movie ending on the magnitude of &quot;I am your father&quot; or Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense finding out that he&#039;s actually... oh never mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPOILER!!!! ARGH!!!!</p>
<p>I do hope I wasn&#8217;t just deprived of a movie ending on the magnitude of &#8220;I am your father&#8221; or Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense finding out that he&#8217;s actually&#8230; oh never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: fenzel</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/07/08/cthulhu-and-chigurh-separated-at-birth/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>fenzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, sure, but at least going insane or suicidal is an affirmative response. There&#039;s something nonrandom to their reactions, which is the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, sure, but at least going insane or suicidal is an affirmative response. There&#8217;s something nonrandom to their reactions, which is the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Stokes</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/07/08/cthulhu-and-chigurh-separated-at-birth/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo.  Should be, &quot;And &lt;em&gt;while&lt;/em&gt; his protagonists...&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo.  Should be, &#8220;And <em>while</em> his protagonists&#8230;&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Stokes</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/07/08/cthulhu-and-chigurh-separated-at-birth/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>Stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Pete, that&#039;s just the thing:  the demons in Lovecraft don&#039;t &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; to kill you.  They&#039;re as impersonal and implacable as gravity.  And his protagonists do generally learn that there&#039;s something more to the world than they might have considered, that something generally makes them suicidal or insane.

There&#039;s some of that in NCFOM as well.  Sheriff Bell never actually comes into direct contact with Chigurh (at least in the movie):  he basically just learns that the monster exists. And that alone is almost enough to destroy him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Pete, that&#8217;s just the thing:  the demons in Lovecraft don&#8217;t <em>want</em> to kill you.  They&#8217;re as impersonal and implacable as gravity.  And his protagonists do generally learn that there&#8217;s something more to the world than they might have considered, that something generally makes them suicidal or insane.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s some of that in NCFOM as well.  Sheriff Bell never actually comes into direct contact with Chigurh (at least in the movie):  he basically just learns that the monster exists. And that alone is almost enough to destroy him.</p>
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		<title>By: fenzel</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/07/08/cthulhu-and-chigurh-separated-at-birth/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>fenzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t detect much demonstrative agency behind the &quot;hit&quot; on Chigurh.

I mean, I definitely think the point is &quot;we live in a hostile world full of killing machines and even badass Chigurh can be a victim of violence,&quot; but I don&#039;t think that Chigurh is the intended recipient of that message.

I also think it&#039;s an &quot;Indy in the fridge&quot; moment where you see the old country and the new country collide -- literally. Because obviously most of us aren&#039;t going to meet that many hitmen in our lives, but that sort of life isn&#039;t totally alien from the brutality of our own -- it&#039;s the bridge; we just kill with station wagons instead of shotguns.

The irony, of course, being that station wagons are far more fearsome and kill far more people than shotguns too.

I also don&#039;t think the world of NCfOM is nihilistic. Pessimistic, sure, but not nihilistic.

And I don&#039;t think Lovecraft is nihilistic, either. 

It&#039;s one of the old philosophical discussions Jordan and I had once:

If a demon who wanted to kill you showed up, what&#039;s the proper reaction? Be scared and sad, because you&#039;re going to be killed by a demon, or be excited and intrigued, because it means there&#039;s something more to the world than you might have otherwise considered?

I was always a bit more on the latter side.

I definitely agree that NCfOM shows global brutaility failing to inspire much of courage. Same with Lovecraft. They think that sort of reaction would be delusional.

But I also don&#039;t think the world, at least in NCfOM is entirely blank, either -- entirely dark and level. 

Because, after all, Chigurh does survive being hit by a car, and presumably goes on to kill again. So, something manages to endure. It&#039;s just not what we might like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t detect much demonstrative agency behind the &#8220;hit&#8221; on Chigurh.</p>
<p>I mean, I definitely think the point is &#8220;we live in a hostile world full of killing machines and even badass Chigurh can be a victim of violence,&#8221; but I don&#8217;t think that Chigurh is the intended recipient of that message.</p>
<p>I also think it&#8217;s an &#8220;Indy in the fridge&#8221; moment where you see the old country and the new country collide &#8212; literally. Because obviously most of us aren&#8217;t going to meet that many hitmen in our lives, but that sort of life isn&#8217;t totally alien from the brutality of our own &#8212; it&#8217;s the bridge; we just kill with station wagons instead of shotguns.</p>
<p>The irony, of course, being that station wagons are far more fearsome and kill far more people than shotguns too.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t think the world of NCfOM is nihilistic. Pessimistic, sure, but not nihilistic.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think Lovecraft is nihilistic, either. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s one of the old philosophical discussions Jordan and I had once:</p>
<p>If a demon who wanted to kill you showed up, what&#8217;s the proper reaction? Be scared and sad, because you&#8217;re going to be killed by a demon, or be excited and intrigued, because it means there&#8217;s something more to the world than you might have otherwise considered?</p>
<p>I was always a bit more on the latter side.</p>
<p>I definitely agree that NCfOM shows global brutaility failing to inspire much of courage. Same with Lovecraft. They think that sort of reaction would be delusional.</p>
<p>But I also don&#8217;t think the world, at least in NCfOM is entirely blank, either &#8212; entirely dark and level. </p>
<p>Because, after all, Chigurh does survive being hit by a car, and presumably goes on to kill again. So, something manages to endure. It&#8217;s just not what we might like.</p>
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		<title>By: mlawski</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlawski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, more overthinking.  Is Chigurh being hit by a car an example of his being victim to randomness, or is it the exact opposite.  When I saw the movie, I thought it was the author/God imposing his own will on this seemingly unstoppable character; in other words, flipping the coin on Chigurh, so to speak.  As if McCarthy/the Coen brothers/God/the world is saying, &quot;You think you&#039;re such a killer?  Well, even you can&#039;t beat Me, bitch.&quot;

In that case, NCFOM isn&#039;t set in a nihilistic universe but rather a Gloucester in King Lear &quot;the gods kill us for their sport&quot;-type universe.

/overthink</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, more overthinking.  Is Chigurh being hit by a car an example of his being victim to randomness, or is it the exact opposite.  When I saw the movie, I thought it was the author/God imposing his own will on this seemingly unstoppable character; in other words, flipping the coin on Chigurh, so to speak.  As if McCarthy/the Coen brothers/God/the world is saying, &#8220;You think you&#8217;re such a killer?  Well, even you can&#8217;t beat Me, bitch.&#8221;</p>
<p>In that case, NCFOM isn&#8217;t set in a nihilistic universe but rather a Gloucester in King Lear &#8220;the gods kill us for their sport&#8221;-type universe.</p>
<p>/overthink</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Belinkie</title>
		<link>http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/07/08/cthulhu-and-chigurh-separated-at-birth/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Belinkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or how about an online role playing game set in the Lovecraft universe. They could call it &quot;World of Lovecraft.&quot; Okay, I&#039;ll stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or how about an online role playing game set in the Lovecraft universe. They could call it &#8220;World of Lovecraft.&#8221; Okay, I&#8217;ll stop.</p>
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